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Post by kyc on Jun 12, 2019 13:05:03 GMT
Zhang dies in his 90s in Guang Ling Jian (廣陵劍) In Yunhai the story is already many years after Qiao's death with only Li's uncle and aunt on the island guarding his legacy. LYS nodding again, or changing his mind apparently: From Lianjian, Chapter 40: 原来张丹枫为了要使乔北漠心服,在背心中了他的一掌之后,还硬接他的第九重的修罗阴煞功,这时亦是受伤非浅,不过他内功纯厚,谁也看不出来,当然张丹枫不致丧命,但却已元气大伤,以他的修为本来也可以活到百岁的,后来不到六十岁便死了,便是因此之故。 No wonder people complain about inconsistencies in his writing. When he did his last edit, he ought to have removed this paragraph from the earlier novel.
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Post by yenchin on Jun 12, 2019 22:06:17 GMT
Zhang dies in his 90s in Guang Ling Jian (廣陵劍) In Yunhai the story is already many years after Qiao's death with only Li's uncle and aunt on the island guarding his legacy. LYS nodding again, or changing his mind apparently: From Lianjian, Chapter 40: 原来张丹枫为了要使乔北漠心服,在背心中了他的一掌之后,还硬接他的第九重的修罗阴煞功,这时亦是受伤非浅,不过他内功纯厚,谁也看不出来,当然张丹枫不致丧命,但却已元气大伤,以他的修为本来也可以活到百岁的,后来不到六十岁便死了,便是因此之故。 No wonder people complain about inconsistencies in his writing. When he did his last edit, he ought to have removed this paragraph from the earlier novel. I rechecked and it's my bad memory again. The novel mentions the events in Lianjian "40 years ago", and in Chapter 1 "張丹楓已有七十多歲的年紀..." The events in Pingzong involve the Tumu Crisis (1449) The events in Lianjian begin at the first year of Emperor Chenghua (1464) So if Zhang was 15-20 in Pingzong being 70 something is at least reasonable within the timeframe. There is a passage in Chapter 7 of Guangling which Zhang mentions.. 我為了無名劍尚未練成,只好遵從她的囑咐,在這石林裡又獨居了十多年。 Which might be some kind of rationale of the inconsistency by Zhang willing himself another 10 years pass his expected death or something like that.
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Post by kyc on Jun 13, 2019 11:14:46 GMT
The events in Pingzong involve the Tumu Crisis (1449) The events in Lianjian begin at the first year of Emperor Chenghua (1464) So if Zhang was 15-20 in Pingzong being 70 something is at least reasonable within the timeframe. There is a passage in Chapter 7 of Guangling which Zhang mentions.. 我為了無名劍尚未練成,只好遵從她的囑咐,在這石林裡又獨居了十多年。 Which might be some kind of rationale of the inconsistency by Zhang willing himself another 10 years pass his expected death or something like that. I'm not sure you are at fault. It's clear that LYS changed his mind, or Zhang would have died "before he reached 60." Now 70 something is more than 10 years later. Also, unless Baidu is wrong, it also states that Zhang Danfeng died in his late 80s during Guanglin Jian. LYS is just not very careful with his chronology. If it was Jin Yong, he would have easily amended the figure.
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Post by atumiwa on Jul 1, 2019 4:14:34 GMT
kyc , does all LYS's novels related each other? if i want start to read his novel, can i start from any novel? for example is it okay if i read Qijian Xia Tianshan before baifa monu zhuan?
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Post by atumiwa on Jul 1, 2019 4:23:49 GMT
in my country indonesia, they said that each story related with each other . they said that TianShan series consist of 22-23 novels, so it is recommended to read the novels in sequence. they even make the chronology of tianshan series (eventhough the diagram only shows 19 novels) the order is ... Seri Thiansan : 01 - Sebilah Pedang Mustika (Hoan Kiam Kie Tjeng) 02 - Dua Musuh Turunan (Peng Tjong Hiap Eng) 02 - Dua Musuh Turunan Lanjutan (Peng Tjong Hiap Eng) 03 - Pendekar Wanita Penyebar Bunga (San Hoa Lihiap) 04 - Kisah Pedang Bersatu Padu (Liang Kiam Hong In) 05 - Pendekar Pemetik Harpa (KHONG LING KIAM) 06 - Wanita Gagah Perkasa (Giok Lo Sat) 07 - Hantu Wanita Berambut Putih (Pek Hoat Mo Lie) 08 - Pahlawan Padang Rumput (Cau Guan Enghiong) 09 - Tujuh Pendekar Pedang Gunung Thian San (Thian San Tjit Kiam) 10 - Tiga Dara Pendekar (Kangouw Sam Liehiap) 11 - Pedang Inti Es OKT (Peng Pok Han Kong Kiam) 12 - Bidadari Dari Sungai Es (Peng Tjoan Thian Lie) 13 - Perjodohan Busur Kumala -Yun Hai Yu Gong Yuan 14 - Kisah Pedang Di Sungai Es/Pengemis Berbisa (Peng Ho Swe Kiam) 15 - Geger Dunia Persilatan (Hong Lui Tjin Kiu Tjiu) 16 - Pendekar Jembel (Hiap Kut Tan sin) 17 - Kelana Buana (You Jian Jiang Hu) 18 - Anak Pendekar - Mu Ye Liu Xing (Gempa Taruna Pendekar + Darma Taruna Pendekar) 19 - Taruna Pendekar (Tan Zhi Jing Lei) 20 - Durjana dan Ksatria (Jue Sai Zhuan Feng Lu) 21 - Jala Pedang Jaring Sutera (Kiam Bong Ciam Sie/Jian Wang Chen Si) 22 - Pedang Bayangan dan Panji Sakti (Huan Jian Ling Qi)
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Post by kyc on Jul 1, 2019 8:23:17 GMT
kyc , does all LYS's novels related each other? if i want start to read his novel, can i start from any novel? for example is it okay if i read Qijian Xia Tianshan before baifa monu zhuan? atumiwa, Qijian Xia Tianshan was written before Baifa Monv Zhuan, but the latter novel is a prequel. It doesn't really matter which sequence you read first I suppose. I read Baifa first, but Qijian was written first.
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Post by atumiwa on Jul 1, 2019 10:02:02 GMT
okay i just translate the sequence of tianshan series chronology in chinese language:
Huanjian Qiqing Lu (還劍奇情錄) Pingzong Xiaying Lu (萍蹤俠影錄) Sanhua Nüxia (散花女俠) Lianjian Fengyun Lu (聯劍風雲錄) Guangling Jian (廣陵劍) Baifa Monü Zhuan (白髮魔女傳) Saiwai Qixia Zhuan (塞外奇俠傳) Qijian Xia Tianshan (七劍下天山) Jianghu San Nüxia (江湖三女俠), Bingpo Hanguang Jian (冰魄寒光劍) Bingchuan Tiannü Zhuan (冰川天女傳) Yunhai Yugong Yuan (雲海玉弓緣) Binghe Xijian Lu (冰河洗劍錄) Fenglei Zhen Jiuzhou (風雷震九州) Xiagu Danxin (俠骨丹心) Youjian Jianghu (遊劍江湖), Muye Liuxing (牧野流星) Tanzhi Jinglei (彈指驚雷) Juesai Chuanfeng Lu (絕塞傳烽錄) Jianwang Chensi (劍網塵絲) Huanjian Lingqi (幻劍靈旗)
somehow they didnt include Wulin Sanjue (武林三絕) and Wudang Yijian (武當一劍) into Tianshan series, probably they dont have any relation to tianshan story at all
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Post by kyc on Jul 1, 2019 10:38:19 GMT
okay i just translate the sequence of tianshan series chronology in chinese language: Huanjian Qiqing Lu (還劍奇情錄) Pingzong Xiaying Lu (萍蹤俠影錄) Sanhua Nüxia (散花女俠) Lianjian Fengyun Lu (聯劍風雲錄) Guangling Jian (廣陵劍) Baifa Monü Zhuan (白髮魔女傳) Saiwai Qixia Zhuan (塞外奇俠傳) Qijian Xia Tianshan (七劍下天山) Jianghu San Nüxia (江湖三女俠), Bingpo Hanguang Jian (冰魄寒光劍) Bingchuan Tiannü Zhuan (冰川天女傳) Yunhai Yugong Yuan (雲海玉弓緣) Binghe Xijian Lu (冰河洗劍錄) Fenglei Zhen Jiuzhou (風雷震九州) Xiagu Danxin (俠骨丹心) Youjian Jianghu (遊劍江湖), Muye Liuxing (牧野流星) Tanzhi Jinglei (彈指驚雷) Juesai Chuanfeng Lu (絕塞傳烽錄) Jianwang Chensi (劍網塵絲) Huanjian Lingqi (幻劍靈旗) somehow they didnt include Wulin Sanjue (武林三絕) and Wudang Yijian (武當一劍) into Tianshan series, probably they dont have any relation to tianshan story at all Yes, the chronology I think is correct. I may not be the best person to ask but taken broadly, the Tianshan series extend backward (the Zhang Danfeng series during the Ming Dynasty) and extend forward (the novels of the later Qing Dynasty). Taken narrowly, the Tianshan series extends from Baifa until Jianghu San Nüxia. Liang Yusheng just kept writing more and more and integrating all his novels and characters into a massive fictional universe extending backward and forward.
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Post by kyc on Jul 1, 2019 10:49:40 GMT
atumiwa , if you start with LYS, I advise going with the more famous earlier novels first. In other words, Qijian Xia Tianshan (七劍下天山), Baifa Monv Zhuan (白髮魔女傳) or Pingzong Xiaying Lu (萍蹤俠影錄). They are the ones where the more important characters first appear. I don't advise reading the first three early novels, Caomang Longshe Zhuan (草莽龍蛇傳), Longhu Dou Jinghua (龍虎鬥京華), Saiwai Qixia Zhuan (塞外奇俠傳). I find them good enough but general readers will find them disorganized. However, if you read Qijian and are interested in the ill-fated romance between Yang Yuncong and Nalan Minghui, read Saiwai. The novel isn't that well written but the love affair is intriguing enough. It's also rather short.
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Post by siuyiu on Jul 1, 2019 19:51:38 GMT
okay i just translate the sequence of tianshan series chronology in chinese language: Huanjian Qiqing Lu (還劍奇情錄) Pingzong Xiaying Lu (萍蹤俠影錄) Sanhua Nüxia (散花女俠) Lianjian Fengyun Lu (聯劍風雲錄) Guangling Jian (廣陵劍) Baifa Monü Zhuan (白髮魔女傳) Saiwai Qixia Zhuan (塞外奇俠傳) Qijian Xia Tianshan (七劍下天山) Jianghu San Nüxia (江湖三女俠), Bingpo Hanguang Jian (冰魄寒光劍) Bingchuan Tiannü Zhuan (冰川天女傳) Yunhai Yugong Yuan (雲海玉弓緣) Binghe Xijian Lu (冰河洗劍錄) Fenglei Zhen Jiuzhou (風雷震九州) Xiagu Danxin (俠骨丹心) Youjian Jianghu (遊劍江湖), Muye Liuxing (牧野流星) Tanzhi Jinglei (彈指驚雷) Juesai Chuanfeng Lu (絕塞傳烽錄) Jianwang Chensi (劍網塵絲) Huanjian Lingqi (幻劍靈旗) somehow they didnt include Wulin Sanjue (武林三絕) and Wudang Yijian (武當一劍) into Tianshan series, probably they dont have any relation to tianshan story at all if you refer to yenchin's chronology post, you can verify the order. i did a side-by-side and the order of books is correct. yenchin and kyc will know better than me if all these books are in fact part of a continuous storyline.
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Post by yenchin on Jul 16, 2019 7:41:10 GMT
Wulin Sanjue (武林三絕) is linked with the Tianshan Series, with characters who are either descendants or trace their martial arts lineage to Song Dynasty Series characters. It was serialized, but for some reasons wasn't collected and published as a novel. It's kind of a pity because as mentioned it links the Tianshan and Song Dynasty Series like a spiritual crossover, and these Song descendants are never seen again in the Tianshan Series (due to this series being written between 1972-1976, after most of the Tianshan novels were written.)
Wudang Yijian (武當一劍) on the other hand is independent.
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Post by atumiwa on Aug 20, 2019 17:14:36 GMT
why wikipedia said 33 novels while actually there are 35 novels in total?
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Post by kyc on Aug 21, 2019 5:17:07 GMT
why wikipedia said 33 novels while actually there are 35 novels in total? Because Wikipedia can be wrong and I have corrected it.
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Post by atumiwa on Aug 21, 2019 7:36:57 GMT
they are related in story , or just happen in the same Song dynasty era?
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Post by yenchin on Aug 25, 2019 1:59:24 GMT
they are related in story , or just happen in the same Song dynasty era? They are all related and the timeline spans for about only 2 generations. 瀚海雄風 is kind of an anomaly because it doesn't overlap much with the whole storyline, and the main character's "Alliance Leader" identity confuses readers because there's another Alliance Leader in the other works. However, he shows up in 風雲雷電, confirming that everyone is in the same universe.
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