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Post by galvatron prime on Jun 19, 2015 7:40:05 GMT
Hello ,i have a question ,do you consider Wuxia Hero like Guo Jing ,Ling Wu Chong ,Zhang Wuji ,Wei Xiao Bao etc a gangster or mole like modern day Chan Ho Nam (From Ekin Cheng movie Young And Dangerous) ,Mark (from Chow Yun Fatt movie A Better Tomorrow) or Laughing Gor) from Michael Tse TVB drama EU )?
Do you view them as triad member ?
Majority of Wuxia Hero have no job ,am i right?
Do they collect protection money from trader ?
Is beggar Clan can consider as triad organization in today ?
Thanks.
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Post by siuyiu on Jun 19, 2015 16:40:22 GMT
short answer: no. short explanation: xia didn't do it for money; it's the intent that separates xia from triad.
i know that triads like to consider themselves like wuxia characters because it justifies their behaviour, puts a more positive spin on what is essentially bullying.
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Post by chefying on Jun 22, 2015 18:58:18 GMT
short answer: no. short explanation: xia didn't do it for money; it's the intent that separates xia from triad. i know that triads like to consider themselves like wuxia characters because it justifies their behaviour, puts a more positive spin on what is essentially bullying. The various sects and clans will require money to run. At the very least, the runners need to be fed. The money must come from somewhere. I suppose how this money is derived very much determines how "orthodox" that sect/clan is. |
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Post by siuyiu on Jun 22, 2015 20:12:01 GMT
short answer: no. short explanation: xia didn't do it for money; it's the intent that separates xia from triad. i know that triads like to consider themselves like wuxia characters because it justifies their behaviour, puts a more positive spin on what is essentially bullying. The various sects and clans will require money to run. At the very least, the runners need to be fed. The money must come from somewhere. I suppose how this money is derived very much determines how "orthodox" that sect/clan is. i don't dispute the need for money when talking about sects and clans; not all can depend on donations. i just feel that the approach to the essence/spirit of "xia" differs between the two, that's all.  |
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2015 11:48:11 GMT
The various sects and clans will require money to run. At the very least, the runners need to be fed. The money must come from somewhere. I suppose how this money is derived very much determines how "orthodox" that sect/clan is. i don't dispute the need for money when talking about sects and clans; not all can depend on donations. i just feel that the approach to the essence/spirit of "xia" differs between the two, that's all. Agree with siuyiu but I also think that it's not only about the spirit, but also the way they conduct the business that make sects/clans different from triad. |
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Post by caiyi on Jun 29, 2015 12:31:05 GMT
Some of then are members of underground society (Red Flower Sect). So, this is similar to gangster. But, like siuyiu and Admin said, they differ in the things they do. They don't do things that harm society in order to get money.
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Post by Admin on Nov 29, 2018 4:17:51 GMT
I read somewhere that the real TRIAD was actually based on Tian Di Hui - Heaven and Earth Society which is mentioned in The Deer and Cauldron aka 鹿鼎记
Is it true? Could somebody enlightened me?
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Post by chefying on Dec 5, 2018 14:31:07 GMT
I have heard of a Green Bamboo Clan 青竹帮 in Taiwan that is supposed to be Triad based. I do not remember hearing about TianDi Hui though.
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Post by yenchin on Dec 6, 2018 9:24:02 GMT
I have heard of a Green Bamboo Clan 青竹帮 in Taiwan that is supposed to be Triad based. I do not remember hearing about TianDi Hui though. I think you're referring to the Bamboo Union. It doesn't have a lineage from the Tiandihui and started from the streets.
The "real" Triad societies such as the Green Gang and Hongmen in Taiwan have mainly been the ones with strong ties to the Kuomingtang, so they seem to have not been interested in street shenanigans and are like some Freemason-ish society. If there is any dirty work I assume it's all related to high officials and white collar stuff.
Some local temples or martial art groups in Taiwan, on the other hand, have ties with the original Tiandihui established by Chen Jinnan (or whatever version of the backstory) and they are more mixed. Most of them are decent groups, some are kind of like your typical local band of hoodlums.
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Post by Admin on Dec 7, 2018 3:14:13 GMT
I have heard of a Green Bamboo Clan 青竹帮 in Taiwan that is supposed to be Triad based. I do not remember hearing about TianDi Hui though. I think you're referring to the Bamboo Union. It doesn't have a lineage from the Tiandihui and started from the streets.
The "real" Triad societies such as the Green Gang and Hongmen in Taiwan have mainly been the ones with strong ties to the Kuomingtang, so they seem to have not been interested in street shenanigans and are like some Freemason-ish society. If there is any dirty work I assume it's all related to high officials and white collar stuff.
Some local temples or martial art groups in Taiwan, on the other hand, have ties with the original Tiandihui established by Chen Jinnan (or whatever version of the backstory) and they are more mixed. Most of them are decent groups, some are kind of like your typical local band of hoodlums.
Wow. so Chen Jinnan was a real historical figure. Was he a real hero like that on Lu Ding Ji? |
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Post by yenchin on Dec 7, 2018 3:41:40 GMT
I think you're referring to the Bamboo Union. It doesn't have a lineage from the Tiandihui and started from the streets.
The "real" Triad societies such as the Green Gang and Hongmen in Taiwan have mainly been the ones with strong ties to the Kuomingtang, so they seem to have not been interested in street shenanigans and are like some Freemason-ish society. If there is any dirty work I assume it's all related to high officials and white collar stuff.
Some local temples or martial art groups in Taiwan, on the other hand, have ties with the original Tiandihui established by Chen Jinnan (or whatever version of the backstory) and they are more mixed. Most of them are decent groups, some are kind of like your typical local band of hoodlums.
Wow. so Chen Jinnan was a real historical figure. Was he a real hero like that on Lu Ding Ji? In the Tiandihui history/legends Chen Jinnan was often mentioned as the leader, so Jin Yong didn't make him up. The real person behind the name is often cited to be Chen Yonghua. While there's no evidence that he has martial arts, he seems like a very smart person and helped establish policies and stabilized Koxinga's government. So at least historically he was a good statesman. Not sure what the legends mention about him.
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