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Post by siuyiu on Jul 31, 2018 2:34:56 GMT
My favorite paradox in this series is that people suffer due to gambling, yet to solve their problems, they have to gamble more. certainly adds a very real (if depressing) element to the series! because sadly, that's what happens IRL when people have a gambling addiction. i had to google who chan ting wai is--recognize his face, never knew his name!
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Post by galvatron prime on Jul 31, 2018 2:55:54 GMT
well, tvb ought to be satisfied now: they've got a monopoly on the HK market, being the only production company left! though i think the mainland productions are really showing them up in terms of scale and the sheer numbers they can get for big scenes, esp battle scenes! siuyiu TVB and ATV also rival when they try to buy the right to broadcast drama from Taiwan ,Singapore and later mainland China which feature Hong Kong star during 1980 to 2000an.which dubbed in Cantonese. TVB and ATV battle hard to get the right to Broadcast Taiwan Justice Pao in 1990 . ATV win the right to broadcast some of the Taiwan drama in 1990 like Gong Sai Yuk by Dicky Cheung ,Condor Hero by Richie Yen etc. TVB also want get the right to Broadcast Ekin Cheng Hua Yuan Jia or Fok but the right went to ATV, the mainland version use the same theme song of the ATV version the Legendary Fok. TVB also want to stop ATV to air it last gaming drama Whose The Winner because it feature Ada Choi,which she still a contact TVB actress at the time.The serial was made in 2008 but only aired in late 2010. Canti Lau was suppose to start in TVB The Revelation of The Last Hero but they drop Canti and replace it with Aaron Kwok whose was a popular idol at the time ,I heard TVB is losing in rating to ATV at the time,they hire Aaron with big price to win back the ranking. They suppose to make a Younger naive,comical version of Wong Yat Sin with with Frankie Lam and Noel Leong and Later replace with David Chiang with more mature role in Mystery of the Condor Hero because it also lost in Ranking to ATV during that time in 1992. To battle ATV in 1994,TVB have replace Frankie Lam with his more popular looklike Julian Cheung in Legend Of Condor Hero 1994. TVB Now Have All The Right To Broadcast Some Of The Mainland China dram with Gone of A TV.
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Post by siuyiu on Jul 31, 2018 3:04:45 GMT
@galvatron they've been battling since day 1! for a while, ATV seemed to have done a coup d'etat when a bunch of TVB stars walked out on TVB and joined ATV (in the 1990s, i believe). i don't know that their quality of programming increased that much--these stars brought with them a lot of baggage and bad habits picked up from TVB. but people all of a sudden were paying more attention to ATV.
ah yes, i do remember the years when all of a sudden, TVB/ATV were doing more canto dubbing for taiwan/mainland productions than making their own. i love that these mandarin productions found a new audience (canto people in HK were quite resistent to mandarin productions, esp pre 1997), but alas, the HK productions started a slow decline.
huh, i never thought that frankie lam and julian cheung looked alike. there are two sets of male actors that i constantly confuse one for the other. i'll see if i remember their names to post pics!
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Post by galvatron prime on Jul 31, 2018 3:05:29 GMT
The opening narration of the series mentions that "There are five schools of gambling: God, Saint, Knight, Overlord, King" in a serious matter, but it's hilarious because its basically listing the titles of the God of Gamblers series besides "King". After that there is no reference about these schools again as most of the characters are "Kings" of gambling. (In III Simon Yam's character trains to be the 'Demon' of Gamblers and it is mentioned that this is a heretic school or something like that.) The first two series starring Chan Ting Wai had a lot of depth compared to God of Gamblers. The first series is like an epic "rags to riches" story. The second series is more complex as characters become evil, as well as a lot of discussion on winning. Chan's character wins like 99% of the gambles in both series, but he's not ambitious. However, he suffers a lot due to the actions of the other power hungry characters, who are ambitious but eventually lose everything, even their lives. My favorite paradox in this series is that people suffer due to gambling, yet to solve their problems, they have to gamble more. Also Chan Pui does a great job in both series. He's the big bad in I, and in II he becomes a crazy, childish old man, and then after he regains his memories he's a deep wise mentor. yenchin Is the first part is better than the second part. I only watch the second part and some my friend said first part was better,is this true?
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Post by siuyiu on Jul 31, 2018 3:08:35 GMT
ok, here are the first pair: chan kuan-tai vs lee lung kei vs
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Post by yenchin on Jul 31, 2018 3:21:33 GMT
The first two series starring Chan Ting Wai had a lot of depth compared to God of Gamblers. The first series is like an epic "rags to riches" story. The second series is more complex as characters become evil, as well as a lot of discussion on winning. Chan's character wins like 99% of the gambles in both series, but he's not ambitious. However, he suffers a lot due to the actions of the other power hungry characters, who are ambitious but eventually lose everything, even their lives. My favorite paradox in this series is that people suffer due to gambling, yet to solve their problems, they have to gamble more. Also Chan Pui does a great job in both series. He's the big bad in I, and in II he becomes a crazy, childish old man, and then after he regains his memories he's a deep wise mentor. yenchin Is the first part is better than the second part. I only watch the second part and some my friend said first part was better,is this true? Maybe, because in the 1st series the plot is more consistent and the flow builds up characters. The main flaws I feel in the 2nd series is that one of the characters from the 1st turns evil for a weak reason, seemingly for the sake of killing off Joey Meng's character, and then after a lot of death and suffering there is this showdown. But then Fong Gong's character comes in for the second half of the plot and brings more death and more suffering, as well as hinting a Darth Vader-ish "I am your father" subplot regarding Chan's character. A lot of this makes the 2nd series kind of inconsistent with the whole setting of Chan's character, his family...etc The final showdown between Chan and Fong I think redeems the 2nd series though. Chan's character has had enough, like the audience I guess another problem with the 2nd is that a lot of actors from the 1st were cast in it as different characters with seemingly similar roles, making it kind of confusing.
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Post by yenchin on Jul 31, 2018 3:33:21 GMT
My favorite paradox in this series is that people suffer due to gambling, yet to solve their problems, they have to gamble more. certainly adds a very real (if depressing) element to the series! because sadly, that's what happens IRL when people have a gambling addiction. i had to google who chan ting wai is--recognize his face, never knew his name! Yes, he was quite famous after the series, but then it seemed that his career became modest. There aren't a lot of works on his wiki page, especially post '00.
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Post by galvatron prime on Jul 31, 2018 5:06:54 GMT
@galvatron they've been battling since day 1! for a while, ATV seemed to have done a coup d'etat when a bunch of TVB stars walked out on TVB and joined ATV (in the 1990s, i believe). i don't know that their quality of programming increased that much--these stars brought with them a lot of baggage and bad habits picked up from TVB. but people all of a sudden were paying more attention to ATV. ah yes, i do remember the years when all of a sudden, TVB/ATV were doing more canto dubbing for taiwan/mainland productions than making their own. i love that these mandarin productions found a new audience (canto people in HK were quite resistent to mandarin productions, esp pre 1997), but alas, the HK productions started a slow decline. huh, i never thought that frankie lam and julian cheung looked alike. there are two sets of male actors that i constantly confuse one for the other. i'll see if i remember their names to post pics! siuyiu Do you know that Michelle Yim have appear in both of TVB and ATV version of Justice Bao. It seem a win win situation for Michelle Yim to appear for both TVB and ATV. ATV was actually leading with it Wuxia serial with bigger budget ,on it drama like Reincarnated and Magic Crane Magic Needle despise lack of star in early 1990an before TVB produce LOCH 1994 and ROCH with Louis Koo which overtakes them . TVB actually plan to made a Younger version of Wong Yat Sin and Au Yeung Fung with storyline how they enter Wulin and become friends and later enemy with some naive comical and how they learn martial arts from but TVB change the storyline by replace Frankie with David Chiang with David play Wong in late 30 or early 40 because of losing it rating. I wonder how the younger Wong Yat Sin and Au Yong Fung storyline look in they early 20. What do you think if they made a Younger version of Wong and Au Yong?
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Post by siuyiu on Aug 1, 2018 0:15:48 GMT
@galvatron i heard that when CTV folded, their actors and production crew members were obviously looking for work. TVB did not want to sign michelle yim because they had their own lead actresses to promote, so she joined RTV/ATV. when TVB wanted to "borrow" damian lau for one of their productions (i believe it was luk siu fung), he became the first actor to "crossover" between the two companies. and he paved the way for others to do the same, including michelle. of course, when it became clear that ATV wasn't doing well, a lot of actors, including michelle, joined TVB. so, it's not surprising that michelle would've ended up starring in both TVB's and ATV's justice bao! i hope she didn't play the same character!
i don't mean to imply that ATV did not have big productions or that their productions were smaller/cheaper that TVB's. but in terms of ratings and popularity, TVB usually beat ATV. there were exceptions--Rise of the Great Wall definitely won the battle of who could get the ratings, for example. and i know that Reincarnated was very popular.
ha, if TVB actually made a story about a young wong yeuk si and a young au-yeung fung, that'd be intriguing--i hope they weren't going to be banal and make the friendship-turned-enemy be about a woman.
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Post by reinafu on Aug 1, 2018 6:54:47 GMT
ok, here are the first pair: chan kuan-tai vs lee lung kei vs You can add Chen Kuan Tai and Pai Piao too, especially when they were young. It often happened that I mistook one for the other !
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Post by reinafu on Aug 1, 2018 7:06:57 GMT
Nathan Chan has played in more series than those listed. If I'm not mistaken, it seems to me that I saw him in Super sword lady, in which I discovered hime for the first time, and I also saw him in TVB series or movies, but I don't remember which ones at this moment.
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Post by galvatron prime on Aug 2, 2018 2:30:43 GMT
i'll start! i confess that i rarely watched the "modern" tv series made by RTV/ATV and TVB, but one that comes to mind is 啼笑因緣 Laugh in the Sleeve, which starred michelle yim and damian lau (surprise, surprise that i chose this!). the production is a re-make of a cantonese opera. TVB also did a re-make earlier, The Fatal Irony, starring lee see kei and chan chun wah. the basic story is about a pair of star-crossed lovers--she's a poor girl who goes about singing in various establishments to earn money; he's a rich boy. his family refuses to let him marry her, and she is forced into marriage to one of the warlords. as an added plot twist, there's a love triangle--there's a rich girl, also played by michelle yim, who's in love with the rich boy, but this is one-sided. this is post-qing, pre-republic of china era, during what's known as the warlords period. it's not a happy ending. i remember michelle and damian sang the themesong as well. they are way better actors. siuyiuI never heard of this drama before. Is this drama made by ATV or TVB? Is this drama have any kungfu or gun shoot out showdown scene? Do Michelle play 2 role in this drama ,if yes are they twin sister? Do Michele and Damian character in this drama know kungfu or use guy to kill enemy ?
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Post by yenchin on Aug 2, 2018 2:48:37 GMT
The same uploader seems to have the other episodes but didn't make them into a playlist.
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Post by galvatron prime on Aug 2, 2018 4:05:19 GMT
@galvatron they've been battling since day 1! for a while, ATV seemed to have done a coup d'etat when a bunch of TVB stars walked out on TVB and joined ATV (in the 1990s, i believe). i don't know that their quality of programming increased that much--these stars brought with them a lot of baggage and bad habits picked up from TVB. but people all of a sudden were paying more attention to ATV. ah yes, i do remember the years when all of a sudden, TVB/ATV were doing more canto dubbing for taiwan/mainland productions than making their own. i love that these mandarin productions found a new audience (canto people in HK were quite resistent to mandarin productions, esp pre 1997), but alas, the HK productions started a slow decline. huh, i never thought that frankie lam and julian cheung looked alike. there are two sets of male actors that i constantly confuse one for the other. i'll see if i remember their names to post pics! siuyiuJust add some TVB only allow ATV gaming drama Whose The Hero aired after Ada Choi voice was dubbed. After that TVB even allow Malaysia Astro On Demand to air this drama( Astro On Demand are Malaysia paid station and TVB are partner in Malaysia and it air the drama same time as HK. Actually I only watch ATV modern drama like A Name named Desire by Simon Yam Beauty Pageant by Nick Cheung ,Annie Man Shanghai Godfathers by Nathan Chan Ting Wai Flaming Brothers by Patrick Tan Silver tycoon by Felix Wong ,Nick Cheung And other one start by Felix Wong and Lawrence Ng which I forgot the name. Do you like to watch Korea pop drama before . Honestly I never watch Korea drama .
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Post by siuyiu on Aug 2, 2018 4:24:14 GMT
i'll start! i confess that i rarely watched the "modern" tv series made by RTV/ATV and TVB, but one that comes to mind is 啼笑因緣 Laugh in the Sleeve, which starred michelle yim and damian lau (surprise, surprise that i chose this!). the production is a re-make of a cantonese opera. TVB also did a re-make earlier, The Fatal Irony, starring lee see kei and chan chun wah. the basic story is about a pair of star-crossed lovers--she's a poor girl who goes about singing in various establishments to earn money; he's a rich boy. his family refuses to let him marry her, and she is forced into marriage to one of the warlords. as an added plot twist, there's a love triangle--there's a rich girl, also played by michelle yim, who's in love with the rich boy, but this is one-sided. this is post-qing, pre-republic of china era, during what's known as the warlords period. it's not a happy ending. i remember michelle and damian sang the themesong as well. they are way better actors. siuyiu I never heard of this drama before. Is this drama made by ATV or TVB? Is this drama have any kungfu or gun shoot out showdown scene? Do Michelle play 2 role in this drama ,if yes are they twin sister? Do Michele and Damian character in this drama know kungfu or use guy to kill enemy ? thanks to yenchin for providing a link for this series! have a look, @galvatron, and see if you like it. not kung-fu. the michelle & damian version produced by ATV. and yes, michelle plays 2 roles--they are not related. this is the second production where she plays two different roles. do you remember the other one? and yes, i've watched a few k-drama rom-coms and modern productions (because they are nice and short, unlike the epic historical dramas). i stopped watching because i was bothered by the underlying misogyny. keep adding to your list! do you think you'd be able to narrow it down to a top 10?
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