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Post by machete on Jun 4, 2022 15:29:17 GMT
Ok, so what we know about Dugu 9 Sword is there are no set moves, and it does not rigidly follow a pattern or form. The more you pick up and learn, the more you can incorporate them and use them together. It focuses on attack,adaptability, prediction and speed and there are 9 stances. The first is the General Index while the rest are supposed to defeat separate weapons styles (with palms and Qi breaking stances included). So therefore if somebody from another era fought different fighters using DG9S and picked up different sword styles, his DG9S will be different from LHC's DG9S. I just want to know, what is the basic move of let's say.....The Sword Breaking Stance?
1)Was it explained what the basic or starting move of this stance was?
2)What is this weakness(破绽) that all swordfighters have that if you use The Sword Breaking Stance, then you can beat all swordfighters? Was it explained in the novel Smiling Proud Wanderer?
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Post by yenchin on Aug 3, 2022 16:01:52 GMT
1. There is none. The key point of the DG9S is "No stance defeats stances" and therefore there isn't a fixed position or stance.
2. The DG9S is more like a codified approach on spotting and exploiting weaknesses of fighting instead of using an encompassing 9 moves to counter enemies. Therefore it seems to be more like learning how weaknesses could be spotted and exploited in various types of fighting. In the novel there were situations where LHC had difficulties in using DG9S:
1) vs. Wudang Taichi Sword: The strength of the sword style was protecting its weakness, and initially LHC was hesitant in attacking the weakness since he felt he'd be wounded first.
2) vs. DFBB: DFBB's moves were just too fast so even though LHC spotted the weaknesses he was not fast enough to attack them. Later when he was fighting YBQ's Pixie Sword Style he encountered the same difficulty but he then realized that in the long fight YBQ had to repeatingly use stances of the style, and eventually he was able to attack the weakness when he saw the signs of YBQ's stance.
3) Fighting in a dark cave: LHC was unable to see his opponent's moves and was only able to use the Arrow Breaking Stance (which relied on listening).
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Post by machete on Aug 3, 2022 17:43:32 GMT
1. There is none. The key point of the DG9S is "No stance defeats stances" and therefore there isn't a fixed position or stance. Ok. Here's a stupid question. Since DG9S is offensive,and there is no set first move,how does LHC decide what are the first few sword moves to use to test out the enemy and find the weakness?When DFBB attacked him first,LHC's first move was to aim at a vital point like DFBB's eye and when DFBB continued attacking, LHC aimed for more vital points so I would take it that he always aims for the first opening he sees that exposes a vital point?
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Post by yenchin on Aug 4, 2022 2:25:13 GMT
1. There is none. The key point of the DG9S is "No stance defeats stances" and therefore there isn't a fixed position or stance. Ok. Here's a stupid question. Since DG9S is offensive,and there is no set first move,how does LHC decide what are the first few sword moves to use to test out the enemy and find the weakness?When DFBB attacked him first,LHC's first move was to aim at a vital point like DFBB's eye and when DFBB continued attacking, LHC aimed for more vital points so I would take it that he always aims for the first opening he sees that exposes a vital point? When Feng Qingyang was teaching LHC he mentioned that DG9S had an emphasis on prediction and noticing the signs of movements. At that time LHC was fighting Tien BoGuang, who's blade style was fast. The key point of the Blade Breaking Stance was controlling a heavier weight, and faster speed. Since TBG was fast, if one relied only on the speed of movements, FQY, an old man, would not be able to compete. Therefore, if FQY fought TBG, he had to predict his moves and strike first at the weakness. As for how to predict, FQY used an example: if the opponent wanted to cut your left hand, he'd first glance at it, and if his blade was pointing downwards right, he would have to circle it up for a slanted cut. (And then FQY began to analyze the variations and moves of blades) After learning, LHC then noticed that the DG9S was all offense and no defense, where FQY answered that the DG9S was all offense to force the enemy to defend himself. DGQB, with his mastery of the art, never needed to defend himself in a fight.
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Post by machete on Aug 20, 2022 17:20:48 GMT
Ok. Here's a stupid question. Since DG9S is offensive,and there is no set first move,how does LHC decide what are the first few sword moves to use to test out the enemy and find the weakness?When DFBB attacked him first,LHC's first move was to aim at a vital point like DFBB's eye and when DFBB continued attacking, LHC aimed for more vital points so I would take it that he always aims for the first opening he sees that exposes a vital point? At that time LHC was fighting Tien BoGuang, who's blade style was fast. The key point of the Blade Breaking Stance was controlling a heavier weight, and faster speed. Since TBG was fast, if one relied only on the speed of movements, FQY, an old man, would not be able to compete. Sorry for asking this so late but I was reminded of one of the questions I forgot to ask only after a long time. If the key point of Blade Breaking Stance was controlling a heavier weight, and faster speed, what is the key point of Sword Breaking Stance?
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Post by yenchin on Aug 24, 2022 1:52:15 GMT
At that time LHC was fighting Tien BoGuang, who's blade style was fast. The key point of the Blade Breaking Stance was controlling a heavier weight, and faster speed. Since TBG was fast, if one relied only on the speed of movements, FQY, an old man, would not be able to compete. Sorry for asking this so late but I was reminded of one of the questions I forgot to ask only after a long time. If the key point of Blade Breaking Stance was controlling a heavier weight, and faster speed, what is the key point of Sword Breaking Stance? I don't think it was mentioned. However, JY seemed to imply it in some examples, such as the fight between LHC and Cheng Buyou, where LHC used weight as an advantage against CBY's sword (which is a light weapon) and hindering its agility. Or directly attacking the weak spots exposed (when fighting the Wudang Taoists)
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Post by machete on Aug 24, 2022 15:45:03 GMT
Sorry for asking this so late but I was reminded of one of the questions I forgot to ask only after a long time. If the key point of Blade Breaking Stance was controlling a heavier weight, and faster speed, what is the key point of Sword Breaking Stance? where LYH used weight as an advantage against CBY's sword (which is a light weapon) and hindering its agility. Who's LYH?
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Post by yenchin on Aug 26, 2022 5:59:46 GMT
where LYH used weight as an advantage against CBY's sword (which is a light weapon) and hindering its agility. Who's LYH? Oopsie! Edited.
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