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Post by kyc on Jul 24, 2022 7:02:27 GMT
Since 1946 is considered the first year of the modern era, Flying Fox of the Snowy Mountain should be the second closest one to the modern era. Chien Lung(from FFSM) is the emperor that comes after Yong Zheng and Yong Zheng comes after Kang Xi(Deer and the Cauldron).
Ah! You are indeed right. I forgot about Flying Fox of Snowy Mountain and Other Tales of Flying Fox.
White Horse Neighing in the West Wind seems to be set in the Qing Dynasty too... no indication about when exactly though.
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Post by machete on Jul 24, 2022 8:04:13 GMT
Oh this is surprising. I think the only adaption to show that Princess JianNing knows martial arts is the 1984 version because in every other adaption she is indeed a sadist but doesn't have any fighting scenes or shown to know any kung fu. The 2000 version with Dicky Cheung even has her killed (although I would never call that one a real adaption at all). In the 1984 adaption she has a few fighting scenes with random people including Tao HongYing when she is chasing XiaoBao with a pair of scissors. But funny in one scene she is on a bed and ambushed by the guys from Heaven & Earth society and just sits there screaming asking who they are. I think she forgot she knows martial arts and can defend herself all of a sudden? I like the 1984, it is indeed one of the most popular adaption but personally I prefer the 1998 adaption. Jordan Chan is a little old to be XiaoBao but his acting is hilarious. All the flashback scenes are so funny and he still has chemistry with most of the actresses. Steven Ma is just as good as Andy Lau as KangXi in my opinion. He's only been in a few dramas before this one and this is probably his first big role. Of all the actresses, Noel Leung, Cherie Chan, May Kwong and Fung Hiu Man are perfect. The other 3 actresses not so much. Rain Lau is too exaggerating as the princess, Hilary Tsui is simply not pretty at all and dresses like a poor maid and Chan On Kei is only okay as Zhen Rou. Maybe one day I'll watch more of the 1998 adaptation and see how good Jordan Chan is. I think the 1998 version did a very poor job of portraying Zheng Ke Shuang as the brat people love to hate. Maybe it's because I didn't see the episodes one by one but that's the vibe I got. Watching the 1998 version, I was wondering why he was meant to be hated. It was only after watching DOMD 2000 and the one with Huang Xiao Ming that I begin to see versions Zheng Keshuang of that deserved hate like in the novel. Despite the 2000 one straying from the original storyline too much.
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Post by machete on Jul 24, 2022 8:20:43 GMT
Actually in the book Princess Jianning does know martial arts, was taught by her mother (the fake Empress), and has a few fighting scenes with Wei Xiaobao (she's a sadist). So if you're saying these are in the 1984 version, then they are pretty true to the book. The 1998 TVB version I didn't really watch, only a few episodes, but the Kangxi there is close to what the real Kangxi looked like, and I was quite impressed by Steven Ma's acting. Personally I think Tony Leung is closer to the original Wei Xiaobao than Jordan Chan, but that's because they keep emphasizing Jordan's ugly hooliganism in the 1998 version. That said, I never really sat down and watched the 1998 version so I could be wrong. Hilary Tsui is simply not pretty at all and dresses like a poor maid. Strangely her husband Eason Chan was once called Aobai by reporters(?) when he reappeared without shaving his beard.
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Post by kyc on Jul 24, 2022 13:19:19 GMT
Maybe one day I'll watch more of the 1998 adaptation and see how good Jordan Chan is. I think the 1998 version did a very poor job of portraying Zheng Ke Shuang as the brat people love to hate. Maybe it's because I didn't see the episodes one by one but that's the vibe I got. Watching the 1998 version, I was wondering what was the problem people had with him. It was only after watching DOMD 2000 and the one with Huang Xiao Ming that I begin to understand. Despite the 2000 one straying from the original storyline too much. www.google.com/amp/s/kknews.cc/entertainment/4xp994q.ampI cannot remember a lot of actors, but now I realize the 1984 Deer and the Cauldron is hugely dependent on the Tony Leung and Andy Lau chemistry. Of the wives, Kiki Sheung and Sandra Ng are clear miscasts, and no one would say Andy Tai is better looking than Tony Leung. I stopped following the recent Deer and the Cauldron adaptations as I find it's basically about whether someone is good looking enough which inevitably leads to aesthetics fatigue 审美疲劳. Seven women, nowadays even Kangxi has to be very good looking. I'm starting to like watching uglier actors/actresses as I grow older. 😅 Sorry to say I find A'ke a bit of a bimbo in the book, she can't even tell who's molesting her. Shuang'er seems very much like a glorified servant cum bodyguard, and at least three of the women don't really like Wei Xiaobao, more like they are stuck with him. That said, Adam Cheng in Fong Sai Yuk is quite my ideal of Chen Jinnan.
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Post by machete on Jul 25, 2022 17:33:37 GMT
I think the 1998 version did a very poor job of portraying Zheng Ke Shuang as the brat people love to hate. Maybe it's because I didn't see the episodes one by one but that's the vibe I got. Watching the 1998 version, I was wondering what was the problem people had with him. It was only after watching DOMD 2000 and the one with Huang Xiao Ming that I begin to understand. Despite the 2000 one straying from the original storyline too much. That said, Adam Cheng in Fong Sai Yuk is quite my ideal of Chen Jinnan. Chen Jialuo. Chen Jinnan was used in that other Jet Li movie where he played Hung Xi Guan.
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Post by soengyee on Jul 25, 2022 23:37:56 GMT
Hilary Tsui is simply not pretty at all and dresses like a poor maid. Strangely her husband Eason Chan was once called Aobai by reporters(?) when he reappeared without shaving his beard. lol I never saw this photo. I forgot those two were married actually. Hilary has stopped acting for some time now actually. Of all the actresses in the 1998 version I think only Noel Leung was in a few of Ricky Wong's TV series a few years ago. Rain Lau left TVB and acts occasionally in China (she was last seen as Ruan XingZhu in the Demi Gods & Semi Devils 20201). Other than than most have retired from showbiz sadly.
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Post by soengyee on Jul 25, 2022 23:50:37 GMT
I think the 1998 version did a very poor job of portraying Zheng Ke Shuang as the brat people love to hate. Maybe it's because I didn't see the episodes one by one but that's the vibe I got. Watching the 1998 version, I was wondering what was the problem people had with him. It was only after watching DOMD 2000 and the one with Huang Xiao Ming that I begin to understand. Despite the 2000 one straying from the original storyline too much. www.google.com/amp/s/kknews.cc/entertainment/4xp994q.ampI cannot remember a lot of actors, but now I realize the 1984 Deer and the Cauldron is hugely dependent on the Tony Leung and Andy Lau chemistry. Of the wives, Kiki Sheung and Sandra Ng are clear miscasts, and no one would say Andy Tai is better looking than Tony Leung. I stopped following the recent Deer and the Cauldron adaptations as I find it's basically about whether someone is good looking enough which inevitably leads to aesthetics fatigue 审美疲劳. Seven women, nowadays even Kangxi has to be very good looking. I'm starting to like watching uglier actors/actresses as I grow older. 😅 Sorry to say I find A'ke a bit of a bimbo in the book, she can't even tell who's molesting her. Shuang'er seems very much like a glorified servant cum bodyguard, and at least three of the women don't really like Wei Xiaobao, more like they are stuck with him. That said, Adam Cheng in Fong Sai Yuk is quite my ideal of Chen Jinnan. Shuang'Er in the 1998 version was adopted from a Eunuch whom used to work in the Court and was Hai DaFu's disciple. He fled and ended up in YangZhou living/working in the brothel with XiaoBao. Shuang'Er and XiaoBao grew up together in this TV adaption and after her father passed away she was about be sold as a courtesan for the brothel to pay back her father's gambling debts. The Zhuang family save her, pay back her debts and she vows to work for them to pay them back. Of all the wives she appears first in a couple episodes until the Zhuang family is executed and she is presumed dead until episode 20 or so. I love how this adaption show the close bond between XiaoBao and Shuang'Er. They grew up together and have been through thick and thin and she's not just XiaoBao's slave. This character is too good to be true though and it's quite funny but Cherie Chan totally sells it. All the soldiers can't believe XiaoBao's luck because she even sneaks into the palace to find him, risking her life. She pretends to be a shaman for Princess JianNing and because they know each other so well she can mimmick all his words and actions perfectly to make it believable. She gets caught then gets away and one of the soliders even ask her if she has any other siblings and if she can hook them up with her. They are touched at how she is willing to risk her life for him. lol Although these parts are not in the novel but I don't mind it. The 2000 version did something similar but Dicky Cheung and Yuki ruin it for me. They are not as good as Jordan Chan and Cherie Chan.
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Post by kyc on Jul 26, 2022 8:35:16 GMT
That said, Adam Cheng in Fong Sai Yuk is quite my ideal of Chen Jinnan. Chen Jialuo. Chen Jinnan was used in that other Jet Li movie where he played Hung Xi Guan. Yeah my mistake. But Adam Cheng would have been perfect as Chen Jinnan, while Chen Jialuo is a bit wimpy. Now he's too old.
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Post by Admin on Jul 27, 2022 6:37:12 GMT
Chen Jialuo. Chen Jinnan was used in that other Jet Li movie where he played Hung Xi Guan. Yeah my mistake. But Adam Cheng would have been perfect as Chen Jinnan, while Chen Jialuo is a bit wimpy. Now he's too old. Hohoho... Adam Cheng was Chen Jialuo, and then Qianlong Emperor in The Book and the Sword 2014 adaptation. And at first I forgot and thought that Chen Jinnan was Chen Jialuo's teacher. LOL.
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