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Post by chefying on Mar 4, 2015 16:28:00 GMT
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Post by chefying on Mar 4, 2015 16:30:28 GMT
Great to hear that you're better, Chef! yenchin thanks! Hope your New year was better than mine. All too soon, the last day of Chinese New Year is here - 5 Mar 2015. Enjoy the celebrations. Are you making any glutinous rice dumplings?
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Post by yenchin on Mar 6, 2015 15:56:54 GMT
Wow so the Malaysian and Singapore versions of Y&D are about an undercover cop who kills gangsters without any effort to bring them to the law, and in some cases, manipulate gangsters to kill each other I assume?
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Post by yenchin on Mar 6, 2015 15:59:04 GMT
Great to hear that you're better, Chef! yenchin thanks! Hope your New year was better than mine. All too soon, the last day of Chinese New Year is here - 5 Mar 2015. Enjoy the celebrations. Are you making any glutinous rice dumplings? No, I'm just enjoying them from a famous local joint.
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Post by siuyiu on Mar 6, 2015 17:46:39 GMT
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Post by galvatron prime on Mar 9, 2015 5:26:59 GMT
Wow so the Malaysian and Singapore versions of Y&D are about an undercover cop who kills gangsters without any effort to bring them to the law, and in some cases, manipulate gangsters to kill each other I assume? yenchin siuyiuIn Y&D 1 opening ,Chan Ho Nam (Ekin Cheng) was sent by his police supervisor to spy on Hung Hing and he was order to join Tai Lor Bee gang .The opening scene on the HK version when he meet Tai Lor B in football field as school boy was deleted. This show that the reason Y&D prequel got banned in Malaysia cinema and VCD and DVD. Some scene was deleted like Ugly Kwan (Francis Ng) kill Tai Lor with drug feed on his mouth was deleted .Some other scene was also deleted but i forgot which one. Sai Sai Lap even mention Chan Ho Nam was different from other gangster . After Ugly Kwan was killed , Chicken (Jordan Chan),Dai Tin-Yee (Michael Tse ) and Pou Pan (Jerry Lamb) was arrested and Chicken and Dai Tin Yee was jailed 15 years. Cheung Tin Sang (Simon Yam ) return to HK and the end was never show. It end with Chan Ho Nam supervisor promise he will be promoted soon return to police forces. In Y&D 2,Chicken , Dai Tin Yee and Pou Pee was release from jail because his supervisor want Chan Ho Nam continue work as undercover and target bigger fish and he ask his supervisor ,am i really look like Koo Wai Chai . Sai Sai Lap know he a undercover . Some scene get delete but i forgot which one. After Chingmy Yau get killed ,his supervisor still ask him to continue as undercover and he start look unhappy . In Y&D 3 ,Chan Ho Nam was working with his new Chinese cop supervisor and FBI ,and the FBI told him that 2 Tung Sing guy Crow( Roy Cheung) and Tiger ((Ng Chi Hung) from Holland have return to HK and want them to get arrested. Unlike the HK version which both killed at Camel (Michael Chan) funeral,Crow and Tiger was arrested by the police forces at the funeral after the gang fight. In Y&D 4 ,His supervisor want him to arrest all The Hung Hing gang and he look really unhappy as show in the link. Some scene like Chan Ho Nam drunk in Dai Tin Yee weeding was deleted. In Y&D 5 ,Danny Lee already know Chan Ho Nam was a undercover during British ruled HK,Chan Ho Nam was sent to Malaysia as undercover against Tung Sing Szeto Ho Nam(Mark Cheng),some scene like Pou-pan beat Datuk Chan Ka Nam(Paul Chun ) was deleted because Datuk Chan was look like former Malaysian Prime Minister Dr M? The former Malaysia PM In Born to Be King,at the end Lui Fu Kwan(Peter Ho) get arrested ,The Taiwanese police seen know Chan Ho Nam was undercover.(This movie was not show on cinema but release on VCD and DVD). Spin off like Those Were the Days 友情歲月之山雞故事 was not mention Chan Ho Nam join the gang in early day,he only show in Sister 13 (Sandra Ng) wedding. Spin off like The Legendary 'Tai Fei' (古惑仔激情篇之洪興大飛哥) and Portland Street Blues (古惑仔情義篇之洪興十三妹) Once Upon a Time in Triad Society (旺角揸Fit人)was not show on cinema but release on VCD and DVD). When Young and Dangerous Reload come up ,it no longer show Chan Ho Nam as undercover which raise question in those Malaysia and Singapore forum forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/actually-chan-ho-nam-mole-real-gu-wah-zai-4651563.htmlChan Ho Nam in Malaysia and Singapore version is just a bit like Laughing Gor (Michael Tse ) in TVB Emergency Unit(學警狙擊),it spin off Lives of Omission (潛行狙擊) and it movie Turning Point . And Malaysia free TV station do not show any Wuxia serial in 1980 an ,it only start show some wuxia in 1990an and not all wuxia serial are show ,and the popular TVB from 1970an-1980an like LOCH 1983 ,ROCH 1983 was never show on on our free TV until now.only paid TV like Astro show.
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Post by siuyiu on Mar 9, 2015 17:19:47 GMT
@galvatron prime huh. not that i condone the mafia stuff in Y&D, but making CHN an undercover cop rather undermines the disenfranchised youth theme of the whole series. kinda like how the mando version of the Beyond song i posted got "cleansed" of its cynicism.
what other gangster movies have been thus whitewashed for the malaysian audiences? or were they simply banned?
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Post by yenchin on Mar 9, 2015 22:46:31 GMT
@galvatron Wow that's insane. It seems that they all require additional scenes or some very heavy editing, probably by mix and matching scenes from the series or other movies.
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Post by galvatron prime on Mar 10, 2015 4:53:45 GMT
@galvatron prime huh. not that i condone the mafia stuff in Y&D, but making CHN an undercover cop rather undermines the disenfranchised youth theme of the whole series. kinda like how the mando version of the Beyond song i posted got "cleansed" of its cynicism. what other gangster movies have been thus whitewashed for the malaysian audiences? or were they simply banned? siuyiu yenchinActually only Y&D have whitewashed the Malaysian and Singapore who believe Chan Ho Nam was undercover. Well ,in Malaysian we can always buy the pirated Video,VCD or DVD from pirate DVD seller in Malaysia China town which know as Jalan Petaling in Kuala Lumpur . So we Malaysia watch 2 version of Y&D ,one he undercover while other he a gangster . The Malaysian censorship also demanded in Y&D6 Born to be King,it demand that it make Chicken was actually a spy from Tung Sing gang ,he betray Hung Hing ,and Chan Ho Nam as under cover identity was found out by Cheung Tin Yeung (Alex Man) and the Hung Hing gang want both of them get killed and the final all the Hung Hing and all other gang in the drama get arrest for good ,no more release and pit a Chan Ho Nam and Chicken fight 1vs1 showdown and Chan finally get Chicken arrested after he win the fight ,but the demand later not meet which resulting the movies was not show in the cinema. (I read this gossip from Chinese newspaper in 2000) Actually Regarding about other gangster movie,only those start by HK, big star like Chow Yun Fatt ,Jackie Chan ,Andy Lau ,Jet Li,,Tony Leung Chiu Wai,Tony Leung Kar Fai ,Stephen Chow will get the better chance to show in the movie cinema in 1980an to 1990an. The are other triad movie which start by Louis Koo,Jackie Lui,Julian Cheung,Waynei Lam etc not show on cinema but get release on VCD and DVD. I think until today ,only all movies, comedy or action , by Stephen Chow are show in cinema in Malaysia and Singapore. Those gangster movie or comedy start by unknown actor or actress from HK and low budget will get banned ,not show on cinema,Video,VCD or DVD. Honestly if Y&D start by Kenny Ho,this movie will shall will not get release in Malaysia .Kenny was not popular in Malaysia unlike in Taiwan . Ekin Cheng was still a TVB actor by the time it made and during the time actor and actress who are still with TVB contact ,it movies have higher chance to show in the cinema. TVB might play some part to get the movie release in Malaysia and Singapore. And TVB want to promote him to movie industry. www1.atwiki.com/ekincheng/pages/18.htmlMalaysia do ban some action movies from Hollywood . Nude scene from western movies are deleted . Here the list of banned movies in Malaysia ,it do not included the HK and Taiwan movie en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_MalaysiaBack to wuxia ,in 1980an ,Malaysian free TV station do show ancient Ninja and Samurai from Japan with violent fight ,but when the Chinese demand it show the popular Wuxia like LOCH,ROCH,DGSD etc ,it was rejected without any reason. We Chinese do face discrimination from Malay ruling party. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_MalaysiaWhen Malaysia free station start to show wuxia serial,some Wuxia serial show in Malaysia free TV station do get censorship,some get cuts like TVB War And Remembrance it only have 17 episode ,not 20 . siuyiu do your country censor gangster and wuxia movies or TV?
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Post by siuyiu on Mar 10, 2015 19:25:11 GMT
@galvatron very few things are banned/censored in canada. so long as there are proper ratings (following the hollywood system), most things make it to the movie theatres/tv broadcasts. of course, indie films and small production companies always get the shorter end of the stick when stacked against the big boys, so the movies only get shown during the film festival in september and maybe very limited releases in some local theatres after wards. and some tv series never get picked up by the local networks, but that's not such a big issue anymore because there are so many other ways to watch those--whether through american channels/satellite/internet. and, of course, there's the (pirated) DVDs/blu-rays. pirated english movie/tv DVDs are, of course, banned, and it's getting harder and harder to find them in chinatown. the government doesn't care about violated copyright of movies/series produced in asia, of course. i only have difficulty finding pirated ATV series here because "everyone" is a TVB fan. (i know: first world problems.)
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Post by yenchin on Mar 10, 2015 23:32:39 GMT
Strictly speaking, if a CHN vs Chicken fight happened, this would probably be one of the odd instances that the movie finally steers itself back to the comics it adapted.
I never read the full comic but after seeing some descriptions on wikipedia I flipped through some online versions. It seemed that CHN and Chicken were eventually against each other, resulting in Chicken allying with Tung Hsing and killing off a lot of main characters of Hung Hsing in one final fight.
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Post by soengyee on Mar 11, 2015 0:27:48 GMT
If I ever going to read 'Heaven Sword & Dragon Sabre', I'll read the 1st edition. I read that the ending of edition 1 has Zhou Ziruo repenting and didn't forbid Zhang Wuji to marry Zhao Min. It ended with ZWJ painting the eyebrow of ZM like the ending of 'New Heavenly Sword and Dragon Sabre 86'. I think TVB gave her no other choice but to repent because she becomes a cripple at the end. Although not in the novel but I didn't mind this, it gave her more of a human side to get slashed by a knife for her own love rival. But honestly I think she meant to save Zhang Wuji and not Zhao Min. I guess TVB had to come up with some idea to deal with her because Zhu Er is completely dead in this adaption (thus the haunting never happens) and the fight between Zhiruo and Zhao Min's two ex-lackeys never happened either (she still remains powerful). Although not truthful to the novel(s) but I actually like this ending better than her ending in any of the novel(s). Her ending in any of the editions didn't seem reasonable or good enough for me. I don't remember her forbidding Wuji to marry Zhao Min in this adaption but she did confront him if all four woman were standing in front of his face who would he choose, and his answer was Zhao Min. I felt really bad for her character here for some reason, he did not sugar coat it one bit and she just walked out in tears. This would also happen right before she becomes crippled, I certainly pitied her. I guess we are left to assume she becomes a real nun and continues leading E'mei because nothing else is explained of her ending after she leaves Shaolin with the other E'mei disciples. I don't know about JY but I really liked this ending for her.
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Post by chefying on Mar 13, 2015 2:37:05 GMT
It is Friday 13th today. You have been warned...
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Post by siuyiu on Mar 13, 2015 3:55:43 GMT
It is Friday 13th today. You have been warned... there was a friday 13th last month, too, and we're all still here... i wouldn't worry...
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Post by Admin on Mar 16, 2015 4:27:06 GMT
Glad to be back here!!! Phew....I went back home for holiday, then go back to China. Then I got ill!!! I got stomach flu. It was so horrible. I gained 4 kgs when I got back home, and I shredded 1 kg after I got back, and this stomach flu caused me loose another 4 kg. Trust me, stomach flu is horrible. I vomited and could not eat anything. Glad that I survived!
I miss you all guys! Hope you had a great Chinese new year. New year already...let's make our forum merrier!
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