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Post by Admin on May 12, 2015 14:49:55 GMT
Xia 侠 – noun, a chivalrous warrior who excels in wushu and is bound to chivalrous conduct. The xia has a very strong sense of righteousness and values honour more than life. They often take justice upon their own hands. So what is the chivalrous conduct that can make someone become a Xia? Any experts here can help? Thanks
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Post by yenchin on May 14, 2015 13:20:31 GMT
Let me toss in some old two cents.
Han Fei (韓非子), the creator of the Legalists, wrote, "The Xia violate regulations with their martial ways", and they "Gather groups using their own charisma, to become famous and violate the regulations of officials."
I think this mainly shows a key nature of Xia, is that they have their own code of honor and have not much regard of laws.
The Great Historian, Sima Qian describes Xia as "Speak true words, do what they say, keep their promises, take little regard of their safety, and help those in difficulties."
So I guess the basics are that the Xia help those in need, have great physical abilities, and are not afraid to break laws if they need so.
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Post by siuyiu on May 15, 2015 1:02:46 GMT
no wonder there've been a lot of comparisons of xia with robin hood...
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Post by Admin on May 15, 2015 4:14:49 GMT
So basically those Xia based on their conscience and righteous mind, try to do the the right things, while some of those legalist just do the things right based on the law.
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Post by yenchin on May 15, 2015 14:47:56 GMT
Legalists emphasize on harsh laws to control people. Anything causing troubles to the law are worms of the society. Han Fei wrote a chapter talking about the "Five Worms", which is where the quote "The Xia violate regulations..." comes from. Back during the Warring States there are also Mohists, whose values and deeds are basically like a big Xia group. They talk about universal love, enduring hardships to make the world a better place, and peace. While being pacifists, they still have great knowledge on how to strongly defend a city. In A Step into the Past the main character was involved in such a group. There is also a Japanese Manga (which was adapted into the movie A Battle of Wits starring Andy Lau) Info on Mohists in simple terms www.tor.com/2015/02/09/let-me-tell-you-a-little-bit-about-the-mohists/
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Post by chefying on May 16, 2015 9:03:48 GMT
I am inclined to look at it along yenchin's viewpoint. The legality of a situation and justice served may not necessarily be the same thing. A xia would serve justice, especially when the legal avenue would not allow a victim's sorrows to be addressed. There was a legal case in Malaysia where a man was acquitted of a rape charge because (among other reasons) he said he used his fingers for penetration as opposed to using his penis - in the Malaysian Penal Act, rape is defined as penetration by the penis. So legally, the man was not guilty of rape and thus released , but justice had not been served as he should have been charged with sexual abuse or other charges (especially since the girl was a minor). www.theborneopost.com/2015/05/10/uproar-over-mans-acquittal-in-child-rape/Under such circumstance, a xia would lay down justice since the law had failed to do so. My two 文钱 wen qian (cents).
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Post by Admin on May 16, 2015 12:40:18 GMT
I am inclined to look at it along yenchin's viewpoint. The legality of a situation and justice served may not necessarily be the same thing. A xia would serve justice, especially when the legal avenue would not allow a victim's sorrows to be addressed. There was a legal case in Malaysia where a man was acquitted of a rape charge because (among other reasons) he said he used his fingers for penetration as opposed to using his penis - in the Malaysian Penal Act, rape is defined as penetration by the penis. So legally, the man was not guilty of rape and thus released , but justice had not been served as he should have been charged with sexual abuse or other charges (especially since the girl was a minor). www.theborneopost.com/2015/05/10/uproar-over-mans-acquittal-in-child-rape/Under such circumstance, a xia would lay down justice since the law had failed to do so. My two 文钱 wen qian (cents). If I have to make a summary of what Xia is, then I will use two words : "DARK JUSTICE"
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Post by siuyiu on May 16, 2015 14:46:42 GMT
i don't think "dark" is quite the right term because it implies they do things that are not honourable. i may change my mind once i've thought about it, but i think something like "absolute justice" might be more accurate. i feel, especially when it comes to vengeance, that the xia code tends to be pretty black and white, somewhat eye-for-eye.
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Post by Admin on May 16, 2015 15:49:59 GMT
i don't think "dark" is quite the right term because it implies they do things that are not honourable. i may change my mind once i've thought about it, but i think something like "absolute justice" might be more accurate. i feel, especially when it comes to vengeance, that the xia code tends to be pretty black and white, somewhat eye-for-eye. Dark Justice is a series in 90s. The story is about a judge who sometimes can't punish peoples who actually committed crime, cause these peoples somehow can evade the law lawfully. It's more like chefying 's story about that man who raped but didn't rape according to law. The judge, later then punish those criminals and bring justice to these kind of victims. Here is the intro of the series :
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Post by siuyiu on May 16, 2015 16:45:19 GMT
ohhhhh... icic.
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Post by jenxi on May 26, 2015 20:52:41 GMT
I would consider xia as a chaotic good person, to borrow the Dungeon and Dragon term, as opposed to someone who is lawful good. The latter serves justice within the rule of the law, whereas the latter bends the law to dish out justice. easydamus.com/chaoticgood.html
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Post by yufeng on May 29, 2015 6:56:01 GMT
Wuxia comes from Mohist and Confucius:)
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Post by Admin on Jun 1, 2015 14:42:34 GMT
yufeng : good to see you here. Ha, I like your definition, a chaotic good person and it comes from Mohist and Confucius...not bad at all. actually it is AWESOME
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Post by yufeng on Jun 2, 2015 11:46:22 GMT
yufeng : good to see you here. Ha, I like your definition, a chaotic good person and it comes from Mohist and Confucius...not bad at all. actually it is AWESOME Thanks. I have actually been lurking in spcnet forum using the name of Avidfan =) Yenchin above is right about Mohist. The Mohist actually advocates defense vs attack, to prevent wars by learning how to win wars/ battles. Wuxia, come from two words: 侠之墨者, 仁之仁者, so a 大侠 should have elements of the heroism of a 墨者 and the benevolent heart of a 仁者。 That is how the martial code of honor begins too.
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