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Post by siuyiu on Oct 30, 2016 5:05:25 GMT
very often, a new reader, whether to the wuxia genre or to a particular author, just doesn't know where to start! should they go chronologically, reading the earliest novel ever written for the genre or written by that author? or should they take a shot in the dark and pick one up randomly—maybe because the title sounds interesting? it's easy to say "oh, just read the most famous/popular ones". but that sort of information isn't always readily accessible, especially if the author is not one of the bigs like jin rong, gu long, liang yusheng, wolong sheng, or huang yi. so, to benefit our fandom, please list your recommendations! some suggestions on what to include: - what book would be a great starting point to introduce a new reader to the genre/author?
- what is your personal favourite (by that author)?
- what book(s) would you recommend the new reader read next?
other useful info would be spoiler-free "tags":
- great fight scenes, xia philosophy, secret wuxia manual, etc
- theme: politics, theme: romance, theme: revenge, theme: feuding families, theme: civil war, theme: good vs evil, etc
- drama, humour, satire, tragedy, etc
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Post by siuyiu on Oct 30, 2016 5:34:27 GMT
i'm going to start (set an example!). i only feel comfortable rec'ing for jin yong and gu long, since i've read several of their stories. and just to emphasize that these are my personal opinions and aren't meant to be any authoritative list for anything! jin yong1. book to introduce new reader to author: eagle-shooting heroes (often more commonly known as legend of the condor heroes) - good adventure story set in song dynasty, big cast of characters
- themes: politics & war, revenge, justice
2. what to read next: giant eagle and its companion (often more commonly known as return of the condor heroes)
- sequel to eagle-shooting heroes
- themes: politics & war, moral dilemma (blurred areas between good & evil), forbidden romance
3. my favourite JY novel: demi-gods and semi-devils (AKA eightfold path of the heavenly dragon) - intricate plot, interesting elements of and commentary on buddhist philosophy
- themes: karma, identity, politics & war
gu long1. book to introduce new read to author: a. single story: third master's sword - a swordmaster's struggle to find himself amidst his fame; GL's own unique style of fight scene
- themes: identity, pinnacle of martial arts achievement, price of fame
b. series: 1st 3 books of lu xiaofeng (legend of LXF, embroidery bandit, onset & aftermath of the duel) - humorous adventure story of wuxia private detective
- themes: mystery/suspense, good vs evil, friendship
2. what to read next: 1st 3 books of chu liuxiang (bloodied ocean emits fragrance, great desert, the thrush) - another adventure story of another wuxia private detective
- themes: mystery/suspense, darkness in human hearts
3. my favourite GL novel: this is tough; it's a toss up between LXF3 (already mentioned); meteor, butterfly, sword; and horizon, bright moon, sabre - any one of these are GL at his finest—his minimalist and poetic style, his rather bleak view of life, his angst-ridden protagonists (with the exeption of LXF), his dark humour
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Post by reinafu on Oct 30, 2016 16:31:19 GMT
This thread is a great idea, thanks, Siuyu !
Maybe you could give the English titles of the Jin Yong's books you mentioned, please ?
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Post by siuyiu on Oct 30, 2016 21:08:48 GMT
reinafu ok, done. we had "proper" translated titles for JY's books (vs the TVB titles) but i can't find the list at present.
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Post by Lone Crane on Oct 30, 2016 22:24:16 GMT
reinafu ok, done. we had "proper" translated titles for JY's books (vs the TVB titles) but i can't find the list at present. Here are the official translations (the ones provided in the actual print books). This list is from Ni Kuang's personal ranking of Jin Yong's novels. The Works of Jin Yong
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Post by siuyiu on Oct 30, 2016 22:42:00 GMT
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Post by reinafu on Oct 31, 2016 11:09:47 GMT
Thank you very much to both of you !!
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Post by Lone Crane on Oct 31, 2016 16:31:24 GMT
Yes, I definitely will. Most recommendations will be based on what I have read from critics and fans and what the author is famous for, though there are a few I can personally recommend. I just need to find the time to sit down and write it out. Any author you want to know about first?
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Post by siuyiu on Oct 31, 2016 22:54:53 GMT
Yes, I definitely will. Most recommendations will be based on what I have read from critics and fans and what the author is famous for, though there are a few I can personally recommend. I just need to find the time to sit down and write it out. Any author you want to know about first? no rush! and thanks in advance!  i'd like to try out some of the taiwanese authors, so any recs from them would be very helpful! 
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Post by Lone Crane on Nov 17, 2016 3:29:38 GMT
Zheng Feng - 鄭丰
Zheng Feng (real name Chen Yu-hui) is a relatively new author, born in Taiwan but lives and works in Hong Kong, she is the daughter of Chen Li-an, former president of the Control Yuan in Taiwan. She was an investment banker before quitting to write full-time. Her first novel, 《天觀雙俠》(又名《多情浪子癡情俠》) won a top wuxia literary prize in China in 2005 and was subsequently published in 2005 under the name 《多情浪子癡情俠》(though her original title was 《天觀雙俠》 and was published under this title in Taiwan). I'm currently reading this novel. It's good so far, but too early to assess it. Zheng Feng has been called the "Female Jin Yong" by Jin Yong's former newspaper, Ming Pao. Her style definitely shows Jin Yong's influence, particularly her paragraphs, which are dense like Jin Yong's. But the novel I want to recommend for this thread is her newest novel (2015): Valley of Life and Death 《生死谷》. Think Hunger Games + Lord of the Flies + wuxia and you have a pretty good idea of what to expect from this novel. Set during the late Tang dynasty, it's about a girl. Pei Ruoran, who is abducted and taken to a secret location where she is trained along with 200 other children to become an assassin. But not all 200 will make it through the training. The first half of the novel describes the training and this is where the Hunger Games and Lord of the Flies parts come in, as the children (they are all 7-9 years old at the start of the novel) are forced to compete against each other, as only 8 will make it to the end. Valley of Life and Death is a refreshing wuxia novel because it is not like most wuxia. For one thing, the scope isn't big or epic. The first half of the novel is the assassin training, and here we get to know our main characters, the other being a boy names Little Tiger whom Pei Ruoran does not get along with at first. Both are from rich families and were abducted off the streets of Chang'an and taken to the valley to begin their training. The second half of the novel describes what they do after completing their training and have become assassins. But there are not a lot of different martial arts schools/sects contending against each other as in many wuxia novels, but is limited to the assassin group and one or two others. Zheng Feng gets into her characters' heads, and actually that's where we are most of the novel. There isn't page after page of longwinded dialogue like in Wolong Sheng's novels. The major conflict in the novel is survival for the first part, then dealing with the moral implications of their new life as assassins in the second. The vividly-depicted characters are the major draw with this novel, and the ending is actually good and thought-provoking, not rushed or cliched. There's also no love stories that don't make sense, as in characters falling for each other with little reason as happens often in wuxia. It's nice to see a girl main character, one who is a true protagonist and not just the most-capable character (such as in much of Wolong Sheng's work, where the main character is actually a guy but the women are smarter and propel a lot of the action). In Valley of Life and Death, all the characters stand on their own. An ebook version of this novel is available in three volumes from the Google Play store. I've only seen traditional Chinese versions of this novel, haven't seen any simplified Chinese versions. Below is a picture of the Taiwan standard print edition (there is also a limited edition which have different covers). Zheng Feng's first novel, as well as her third novel, 《神偷天下》 can be found at the haodoo site. Links below: 《多情浪子癡情俠》
《神偷天下》Link to first volume of Valley of Life and Death on Google Play: Volume 1. Actually it looks like all Zheng Feng's books are on Google Play. 
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Post by kyc on Aug 24, 2018 11:41:58 GMT
Another recommendation for Zheng Feng, I must try her out!
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2018 7:57:16 GMT
My list of recommendation : From Jin Yong: 1. The Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils (天龍八部) : intricate plot, multi ethnic characters. 2. The Eagle-Shooting Heores [LOCH] (射鵰英雄傳) heroic theme 3. Book and Sword, Gratitude and Revenge (書劍恩仇錄) interesting historical background 4. The Smiling, Proud Wanderer (笑傲江湖) interesting characters and story plot 5. The Deer and the Cauldron (鹿鼎記) not heroic, but very interesting and funny 6. The Giant Eagle and Its Companion [ROCH] (神鵰俠侶) heroic theme, romantic love story 7. The Heaven Sword and the Dragon Sabre (倚天屠龍記) heroic theme and interesting plot 8. Ode to Gallantry (俠客行) interesting story. but I didn't feel like I was reading Jin Yong's novel when I read this. Jin Yong is the master! His novel characters are really impressive that you would hardly forget them
Liang Yusheng: 1. 女帝奇英专 The Female Emperor Eccentric Heroes 2. 萍踪侠影录 : 3. 冰川天女 The Glacial Maiden 4. The White Hair Demonnesse 白发魔女传 and the Tianshan Series. 5. 玉弓緣 The Jade Bow Connection I would say that reading LYS's book is not easy. Because sometimes you don't even know the real focus of who are the real main characters in the book. Unlike JY's books that you could say The Eagle-Shooting Heores [LOCH], the main characters are GJ and HR. But in LYS's book, it is more like the story and plot matter the most, not the characters. Reading LYS book, could be pretty boring at some point. I could read his books for a few hours, and then stop for days or weeks. And the continue again. But then when I finish it, I would be really impressed and the story still in my head even after a long time.
Gu Long's: Flying Li's Dagger Chu Liu Xiang Lu Xiaofeng Honestly I'm pretty surprised that I have read a lot of GL's books. But except Flying Li's Dagger小李飞刀, I don't really remember the stories. Reading Gu Long's novels are very addictive. I remember that when I read GL's novel, I could read it non stop for days. I really enjoyed it, but then I forgot it easily. Not because the stories are bad. But I don't know why it's not impressive enough.
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Post by chongjasmine on Mar 8, 2020 1:45:17 GMT
The Smiling, Proud Wanderer (笑傲江湖) This is my favourite jin yong novel.
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Post by kyc on Mar 8, 2020 9:10:20 GMT
This forum seems a little desolate now, so I'll chime in with a few of my recommendations. (Due to the coronavirus? Cannot spread online right?) For the novice wuxia reader:Jin Yong1) The Book and the Sword: Gratitude and Vengeance (書劍恩仇錄): A good introduction to Jin Yong, not his best novel, but manageable in length (2 volumes). Also, since this is his first novel, you get a good idea what his strengths and weaknesses are. I don't like Chen Jialuo much, but the novel still reads well despite you not identifying with him. There is the imbecilic Princess Fragrance, but she's not the most irritating of JY's heroines. Huo Qingtong is a nice corrective. This novel is good because it has a host of interesting side characters: Li Yuanzhi, Luo Bing, Wen Tailai, Yu Yutong etc. 2) Flying Fox of Snowy Mountains (雪山飛狐): Short but structurally sound, and intriguing as the plot unfolds. This is one of JY's best short novels. Although Hu Fei has short shrift here, he develops in the companion volume. Also contains the "hero" I most dislike, the airhead Miao Renfeng. 3) The Legend of the Condor Heroes (射鵰英雄傳): The first of JY's epic novels. It is not as fascinating as the later full-length works, but Guo Jing is an interesting simpleton (!) while Huang Rong is always entertaining. Liang YushengI really don't recommend reading every LYS unless you are a completist. He does have annoying habits, especially in introducing too many characters, but his best novels are (almost) as good as JY's. I can only recommend his earlier novels since I have yet to progress beyond them. 1) The Legend of the White-Haired Demoness (白髮魔女傳): LYS's first major novel, not perfect but with a fascinating heroine in Lian Nichang. Also, I do not dislike Zhuo Yihang that much. Yue Mingke is among LYS's best supporting characters. 2) The Wanderer's Chronicle (萍踪俠影錄): I think this is the best LYS I've read so far. Also with his best protagonist, Zhang Danfeng. This book is great because of him. Gu LongProbably start with his shorter, one-volume novels to get his style and themes. 1) Meteor, Butterfly, Sword (流星‧蝴蝶‧劍): Representative of the "Triad-style" heroes of Gu Long. 2) The Horizon, Bright Moon, Saber (天涯‧明月‧刀): One of his best short novels. 3) The Legendary Siblings (絕代雙驕): I recommend this although I haven't read it yet, as Gu Long's earliest major work (from hearsay). For the intermediate reader:Jin Yong1) After the first Flying Fox, the intermediate reader can progress to the prequel/companion novel The Young Flying Fox (飛狐外傳). Although not his best novel, this 2-volume novel is impassioned and contains my favorite JY hero, Hu Fei. 2) After The Legend of the Condor Heroes, read the next two in the trilogy: Divine Condor, Chivalric Couple (神鵰俠侶) and The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (倚天屠龍記). Both are even better, IMHO, than the first. Liang Yusheng
1) Again I'm recommending something I haven't yet read, Romance of the Jade Bow Amidst Misty Seas (雲海玉弓緣). 2) Or continue with the Wanderer's series: The Blossom-Scattering Heroine (散花女俠) and The Upheavals of the Sword Alliance (聯劍風雲錄). They are not as good as the first in the series, but worth a read. Gu Long1) Any novel first published after The Legendary Siblings.  I do not think highly of his early works. P. S. As for Wang Dulu, just read any of his one-volume novels (I do not recommend Yongzheng and Nian Gengyao though.) He is a consistent wuxia novelist, although his works usually end tragically. Think ill-fated romances like Liang Shanbo and Zhu Yingtai. Leave his Crane-Iron Pentalogy to the last.
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Post by jenxi on May 7, 2020 8:57:51 GMT
Thanks for the recommendations! Flying Fox is a great entry for newcomers.
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