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Post by kyc on Dec 25, 2018 8:40:19 GMT
kyc How this Demigod compare to 1996 Felix Wong version? Between Wallace Chung and Felix Wong, Who do you think act better in Xiao Feng? I may not be the right person to ask about this. I always felt the 1997 Felix Wong TLBB adaptation to be overrated. That said, I've only watched 10 or 11 episodes of the 2013 version. So far, Wallace Chung does a credible job but is more restrained. Felix Wong has a heroic demeanor but he too isn't exactly burly. I understand Felix Wong's Qiao Feng is a powerful fighter but I have some trouble believing he will die for a humane cause. He seems to be a loyal, faithful brother but not really as humane as Qiao Feng is in the book.
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Post by yenchin on Dec 25, 2018 9:23:23 GMT
Viann Zhang is also Li Mo Chou in the (also ill received) Yu Cheng directed ROCH (2014, Hunan TV). QF sucking blood out of Kang Min was really a sad excuse to add some fatal attraction between these two, however, in hindsight it seems that this is some kind of trope, as most of the time in Wuxia if a male heals another male both are fully dressed, and when a male heals a female prepare to see either her clothes taken off or some hanky panky going on. oh, really? i thought she sort of looked familiar, but i have a hard time remembering the mainland actresses both because they look similar after all the plastic surgery and because i rarely watch the productions. yeah, atv was also guilty about the female needing to strip naked when they need to be healed by a male--some is posting PZXYL eps on YT right now, so i've been re-watching. pervy directors. The only reason this left me an impression was because the 2014 ROCH and the 2013 TLBB were discussed and mocked around the same time at our previous board, and using the same actress gave me the impression of Sydney Yim in the '90s ROCH & TLBB.
An infamous example of the "naked healing" trope is from TVB's 2001 HSDS, it's like all over the net because it has cutscenes of ZWJ healing 4 characters with the males fully clothed and females baring their shoulders and backs
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Post by siuyiu on Dec 25, 2018 19:04:01 GMT
yeah, atv was also guilty about the female needing to strip naked when they need to be healed by a male--some is posting PZXYL eps on YT right now, so i've been re-watching. pervy directors. siuyiu ,What is PZXYL ? I told it was done by double when the female actress strip naked and only it back was show except soft porn Hong Kong movie which show it breast ,am I right ? Which ATV was actress strip naked ? PZXYL = ping zong xia ying lu, atv called it the chronicles of the shadow swordsman. and the ep in question is this one--watch ~8.50; you don't see anything, but the implication is clear:
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Post by siuyiu on Dec 25, 2018 19:06:20 GMT
oh, really? i thought she sort of looked familiar, but i have a hard time remembering the mainland actresses both because they look similar after all the plastic surgery and because i rarely watch the productions. yeah, atv was also guilty about the female needing to strip naked when they need to be healed by a male--some is posting PZXYL eps on YT right now, so i've been re-watching. pervy directors. The only reason this left me an impression was because the 2014 ROCH and the 2013 TLBB were discussed and mocked around the same time at our previous board, and using the same actress gave me the impression of Sydney Yim in the '90s ROCH & TLBB.
An infamous example of the "naked healing" trope is from TVB's 2001 HSDS, it's like all over the net because it has cutscenes of ZWJ healing 4 characters with the males fully clothed and females baring their shoulders and backs
well, does the nakedness reach the same level of soft porn of the shaw brother productions? from what you describe, it's not quite as risque.
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Post by yenchin on Dec 26, 2018 2:16:58 GMT
The only reason this left me an impression was because the 2014 ROCH and the 2013 TLBB were discussed and mocked around the same time at our previous board, and using the same actress gave me the impression of Sydney Yim in the '90s ROCH & TLBB.
An infamous example of the "naked healing" trope is from TVB's 2001 HSDS, it's like all over the net because it has cutscenes of ZWJ healing 4 characters with the males fully clothed and females baring their shoulders and backs
well, does the nakedness reach the same level of soft porn of the shaw brother productions? from what you describe, it's not quite as risque. Likely not. However I'm not sure why almost every discussion article starts with it (maybe because there are scenes of him healing men to compare? ) Here's a click-bait article with some other examples confirming or countering this trope.
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Post by siuyiu on Dec 26, 2018 2:27:41 GMT
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Post by kyc on Dec 26, 2018 4:34:26 GMT
The article is very funny. But can you imagine the guys stripping naked for injury healing? I think Jin Yong will get a heart attack.
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Post by kyc on Dec 26, 2018 4:57:32 GMT
They are shooting a new Demi-Gods And Semi-Devils TV series right now. The cast:
Qiao Feng/Xiao Feng - Tony Yang (楊祐寧) (Taiwan) Duan Yu - Bai Shu (白澍) Xu Zhu - Zhang Tianyang (張天陽) Wang Yuyan - Janice Man (文詠珊) (HK) Azhu - Su Qing (蘇青) Azi - He Hongshan (何泓姍) Murong Fu - Gao Qinyu (高泰宇) Mu Wanqing - Liu Meitong (劉美彤) You Tanzhi - Du Houjia (杜厚佳) Wanyan Hongji - Yu Rongguang (于榮光)
The director: Yu Rongguang (于榮光). The number of episodes has inflated to 60.
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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 5:49:23 GMT
They are shooting a new Demi-Gods And Semi-Devils TV series right now. The cast: Qiao Feng/Xiao Feng - Tony Yang (楊祐寧) (Taiwan) Duan Yu - Bai Shu (白澍) Xu Zhu - Zhang Tianyang (張天陽) Wang Yuyan - Janice Man (文詠珊) (HK) Azhu - Su Qing (蘇青) Azi - He Hongshan (何泓姍) Murong Fu - Gao Qinyu (高泰宇) Mu Wanqing - Liu Meitong (劉美彤) You Tanzhi - Du Houjia (杜厚佳) Wanyan Hongji - Yu Rongguang (于榮光) The director: Yu Rongguang (于榮光). The number of episodes has inflated to 60. a new one?
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Post by siuyiu on Dec 26, 2018 6:20:04 GMT
They are shooting a new Demi-Gods And Semi-Devils TV series right now. a new one? what she said!
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Post by yenchin on Dec 26, 2018 6:44:29 GMT
On wikipedia I see that there has been a lot of period dramas this year, and a lot more are coming in 2019. It's really, really kind of weird to see JY as well as some other famous works coming out every decade. Juedai Shuangjiao is coming out next year (last time 2004). On some previews I see some Xianxia and Wuxia-ish (judging from the descriptions) works, which I suppose is from the flourishing net-novels. So really there's no lack of creativity and talent. It seems like filming JY again and again these years is because some people with big money want their own version? To be frank if I had big money I'd probably film a modern version or just time travel the whole cast to the modern age, and turn it into a franchise so we won't always be wrapping up the story again and again. We could finally see a sitcom about Duan Yu and his "cousins" having fun with Xu Zhu's wife and the Four Attendants. And there's Murong Fu, who's discovered the wonders of MMORPG, and after establishing his own virtual empire he plugs his head to the game server and starts materializing said empire on Earth. Good thing was the old Sweeping Monk has predicted this craziness and sealed Xiao Feng's corpse in a healing cycle until the world needs him again...etc
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Post by kyc on Dec 26, 2018 10:17:59 GMT
Just finished five more episodes, Episodes 10-14. I realized I watched only up till Episode 9 before that. Alas, the cracks in this series are showing. There are a lot of problems in these episodes: 1) Continuity problems. 2) Make-up problems. 3) CGI scenery problems. 4) The storyline is sometimes oversimplified or changed and some parts are added pointlessly. 5) Wallace Chung's Xiao Feng has trouble taking center stage.The episodes correspond from the time Duan Yu visits A'zhu and A'bi, his meeting with Wang Yuyan, to the revelations at the Apricot Forest and the Beggar Sect being poisoned by the Xixia mystic scent. 1) Continuity problems: The color of A'bi blouse. I don't think it's my browser but A'bi's costume changed color at least four times during these 5 episodes. At times it's green, at others it's blue. Can they make up their mind? Is it a problem with my browser? Because I don't think so. A'bi first appears in a complete green costume, meets A'zhu (also dressed in complete green), then runs to Mandrake Villa, where sometimes her costume turns blue. Then at Apricot Forest it's sometimes green and sometimes blue. It's very noticeable and is driving me nuts! 2) Make-up problems: Both Wang Yuyan and her mother have got magenta lips! The color of their lipsticks! I didn't know 11th-century China manufactured magenta lipsticks! Even more horrifically, Wang Yuyan, her mother and A'zhu and A'bi used very deep magenta blushers. It is not subtle in HD: Wang Yuyan's face looks like a monkey's bum and at certain angles, so do Lady Wang's and the two other maids' faces. 3) CGI scenery problems: The infamous CGI scenery appear in these scenes. The background and the "natural" mountains and rivers of Jiangnan are all CGI. The flowing waters look fake and when they are on the boat, you can tell the background is not real. 4) The storyline is sometimes oversimplified or changed: Much like the skateboard scene, Qiao Feng executes his qinggong above Song Empire's rooftops with Duan Yu, showing off his skills. Totally out of character. He even walks over a man carrying a tray of tofu... Certain parts are simplified too much. In the book, Bao Butong fights with some men at Murong Fu's home; these men are no longer in this TV series. i) Azhu's continuous, lovestruck stares at Qiao Feng is not in the book. They do not fall in love until later. Who cares when you are overhearing the revelation of Qiao Feng's birth... ? ii) Wang Yuyan is very warm towards Duan Yu, as though he is a very close friend. She smiles at him all the time and at one point they even hold hands. What were the screenwriters thinking? iii) Azhu is deep and reflective in this interpretation, always thinking. Does this fit her character in the book? iv) Wang Yuyan is not cold or ethereal here. She seems more like a pretty girl who is quite friendly and approachable, though no bimbo. Is this in line with the book? v) The Apricot Forest is just a wooden platform and sheds, not a forest! What happened? Can't they even find a proper forest to shoot the scene? Maybe they can't CGI an entire forest? 5) The most damaging part of these episodes: Most of the time, Wallace Chung's Qiao Feng simply lacks the charisma and presence necessary for the role. He has problems emoting, his machismo gusto is not convincing and it's quite obvious he lacks the acting background to depict the angst and shock Qiao Feng experiences when learning the truth about his birth. Wallace Chung tries hard but at no time am I convinced that he is so "in the role" that he forgets he's Wallace Chung. The Apricot Forest scene, a high point in the novel, is forgettable. Chung is unable to command the presence to grab the role by the scruff and take center stage. Am I in a bad mood today? Or are these episodes showing what this series really is? It's disappointing to find so many faults in just five episodes... Good points: Jiumo Zhi and Southern Seas Crocodile Deity are pretty good. Can't really say the same about Ye Erniang though; her outfit and her face mask leave a lot to be desired...
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Post by kyc on Dec 26, 2018 11:00:16 GMT
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Post by siuyiu on Dec 26, 2018 18:29:02 GMT
kyc as i'd mentioned, i only watched the bits of interest, so i didn't notice the blatant continuity errors! that's really careless! and yes, i could tell that most of the scenery was CGI. but it didn't bother me because i wasn't looking at the production itself, just focussed on the characterizations. and now that you've pointed it out, yes, the make up is much too heavy, ESPECIALLY for WYY and wang furen. and i agree that, at times, wallace's acting was wooden, esp re: emotional/tear-wringing scenes. i'm generally not as critical of these bits because most actors, esp chinese male actors, have difficulty with emoting--it's a cultural thing. so as long as the scene and dialogue ring true, i let it go. some actors try to hide the fact they can't properly emote by overdoing the wailing/anger, which i find more off-putting than if they were logs. dunno, it's a hard thing to get right. easy to write on the page that the character was anguished. much harder to give an oscar-winning performance. this is not meant to excuse a poor performance--not my intention! but just enjoying having a discussion and putting my two cents in.
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Post by Admin on Dec 27, 2018 3:02:12 GMT
On wikipedia I see that there has been a lot of period dramas this year, and a lot more are coming in 2019. It's really, really kind of weird to see JY as well as some other famous works coming out every decade. Juedai Shuangjiao is coming out next year (last time 2004). On some previews I see some Xianxia and Wuxia-ish (judging from the descriptions) works, which I suppose is from the flourishing net-novels. So really there's no lack of creativity and talent. It seems like filming JY again and again these years is because some people with big money want their own version? To be frank if I had big money I'd probably film a modern version or just time travel the whole cast to the modern age, and turn it into a franchise so we won't always be wrapping up the story again and again. We could finally see a sitcom about Duan Yu and his "cousins" having fun with Xu Zhu's wife and the Four Attendants. And there's Murong Fu, who's discovered the wonders of MMORPG, and after establishing his own virtual empire he plugs his head to the game server and starts materializing said empire on Earth. Good thing was the old Sweeping Monk has predicted this craziness and sealed Xiao Feng's corpse in a healing cycle until the world needs him again...etc Having the wuxia characters transport to modern time --> this is a FRESH idea. Many stories have modern people transport to ancient time. With Huang Yi with his A Step Into the Past, then 步步惊心, and then some other stories and series. But these days there are too many stories of modern people transport to ancient time. So sick and boring of this idea now
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