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Post by atumiwa on Dec 11, 2023 5:12:41 GMT
why the three generations, all their hair turned white in a night, there is no explanation at all in novel. does the MA they learned alter their hair genetic? i mean, that thing is only happen to them, and all of them are related
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Post by yenchin on Dec 13, 2023 2:41:03 GMT
You know, I tried to find the part where Gui Zhongming was considered the (skipped generation? surrogate?) disciple of Zhuo Yihang to cite it and so far it seems that it's contradicted by LYS himself in the novel. However, there seems to be no discussion regarding this on the net so perhaps I missed something.
When Zhuo Yihang was alive, he had two disicples, Shih Tiancheng (石天成) and Shin Longzi (辛龍子). Shih Tiancheng was Gui Zhongming's father. So by bloodline Gui was initially kind of like Zhuo's martial grand-disciple. (Though due to plot Gui had nothing to do with Wudang.) (Chapter 5) Han Zhihbang (韓志邦) discovered the long lost Damo 108 Stances (達摩一百零八式), which recorded the highest martial arts of the Wudang School. (There is an explanation on why a Wudang style is called Damo 108 I think) (Chapter 21,22) In Zhuo's final will, he granted the person who fulfilled his last wishes (Zhang Huazhao) disciple status. (Chapter 25) Shih Tiancheng died, his final wish was to have Shin Longzi teach Gui Zhongming. Though not clearly stating any discipleship. ("指點一下", "give him some advice"...which, can mean a lot of things, really.) (Chapter 26) Shin Longzi died, he declared Han Zhibang as his martial brother on behalf of Zhuo Yihang, and, remembering Shih and Zhang, ordered Han to teach Zhang Huazhao and Gui Zhongming as disciples. And Gui later began training and researching the Damo 108 with Han. Han himself was humble (since Gui is better than him) and mentioned that only due to it being Shin's final wish that he accepted Gui as his disciple. However, there didn't seem to be any formal process so maybe it was just kind of an ordinary teaching thing. So, to be frank, the real anomaly here is Zhang Huazhao as he is kind of like his own martial uncle/nephew within the lineage. However, Zhang never meets Han within the rest of the plot (or I missed it) and so I guess this is avoided.(Chapter 27) But then, when Han and Gui first met the Wudang headmaster, who was a martial brother of Zhuo Yihang, his then-girlfriend Mao Wanlien reminded him that the headmaster is his martial uncle. The headmaster was surprised and asked if Gui is Zhuo's closed door disciple. Han explained that by Shin's final will Gui is Zhuo's disciple, and so far I have been having a difficult time to find the quote or plot. From then on Gui's status was always regarded as Zhuo's disciple. In the final chapter it is mentioned that Gui later taught Zhang Huazhao as his martial brother.To sum up, the lineage goes like: Zhuo Yihang - Shih Tiancheng
- Shin Longzi
- Han Zhibang (by Shin Longzi)
- Gui Zhongming (by.....Liang Yusheng's inconsistency I guess)
- Zhang Huazhao (by fulfillment of Zhuo's will)
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Post by yenchin on Dec 13, 2023 3:19:40 GMT
why the three generations, all their hair turned white in a night, there is no explanation at all in novel. does the MA they learned alter their hair genetic? i mean, that thing is only happen to them, and all of them are related It's a trope from Chinese literature. During the Spring and Autumn Period, when Wuzishu (伍子胥) was fleeing and due to the extreme stress and depression his hair turned white overnight. Lian Nishang's hair turned white due to heartbreak due to misunderstanding that Zhuo betrayed her love. Hamaya's hair turned white due to Yang Yuncong rejected her. Yi Lanzhu's hair turned white due to...extreme sadness of her family tragedy I think.
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Post by yenchin on Dec 13, 2023 5:46:47 GMT
77. 唐努珠穆马萨儿国君王 = king of Tangnujumumasar kingdom? what country is that? 69. 唐努章峰马萨儿国大皇子= Mazar Kingdom? is it really exist in history? 77. Tangnu Zhumu, the king of Masaer kingdom. (pinyin) 69. Tangnu Zhangfeng (pinyin), eldest Prince of the Masaer Kingdom. (pinyin) 69 and 77 is the same kingdom. It's likely a fictional kingdom. There is another kingdom called 昆布蘭 (Kunbulan or.....Cumberland ) in the same novel. Both are set near the Altay Mountains.
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Post by yenchin on Dec 13, 2023 22:36:10 GMT
I'm pretty sure her shifu is Ling Weifeng. Cannot remember if Hamaya is her godmother or not. But Lian Nichang is not her shifu or shizu as stated. Yi Lanzhu is Hamaya's disciple and goddaughter. She at least inherited Lian Nishang's sword skill from Hamaya. The plot goes that Yi Lanzhu was captured by Manchurians, Ling Weifeng and Hamaya rescued her. However, amid the chaos, to mend her heartbroken feelings and Yi being Yang Yuncong's daughter, Hamaya brought Yi to Mt. Heaven selfishly and took Yi in as her disciple/goddaughter (both are mentioned). Ling Weifeng and his friends paid a visit to Hamaya's house to meet her but were refused by Hamaya, and only had a glance (and besides Ling all were disarmed by an angry Lian Nishang). Yi's boyfriend, Zhang Huazhao, showing extreme courtesy, and using Zhuo's last will and the Udan flowers, convinced Lian to ask Hamaya to let go of Yi, but Yi had already ran off after the previous encounter. Later in the novel "Lian Nishang's sword skill passed down by Hamaya" is mentioned in Yi's skill set and she uses it a couple of times.
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Post by kyc on Dec 14, 2023 0:05:26 GMT
I'm pretty sure her shifu is Ling Weifeng. Cannot remember if Hamaya is her godmother or not. But Lian Nichang is not her shifu or shizu as stated. Yi Lanzhu is Hamaya's disciple and goddaughter. She at least inherited Lian Nishang's sword skill from Hamaya. The plot goes that Yi Lanzhu was captured by Manchurians, Ling Weifeng and Hamaya rescued her. However, amid the chaos, to mend her heartbroken feelings and Yi being Yang Yuncong's daughter, Hamaya brought Yi to Mt. Heaven selfishly and took Yi in as her disciple/goddaughter (both are mentioned). Ling Weifeng and his friends paid a visit to Hamaya's house to meet her but were refused by Hamaya, and only had a glance (and besides Ling all were disarmed by an angry Lian Nishang). Yi's boyfriend, Zhang Huazhao, showing extreme courtesy, and using Zhuo's last will and the Udan flowers, convinced Lian to ask Hamaya to let go of Yi, but Yi had already ran off after the previous encounter. Later in the novel "Lian Nishang's sword skill passed down by Hamaya" is mentioned in Yi's skill set and she uses it a couple of times. Hmm, Seven Swords is not my favourite LYS novel, I find it messy and confusing so I'm justified in getting this wrong. 😁
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Post by kyc on Mar 9, 2024 10:47:58 GMT
Okay, another one of LYS's novels finished. This one is very long, probably the length of JY's Demigods and Semi-devils. Set in the Song Dynasty, the novel is Kuangxia, Tianjiao, Monü (《狂俠·天驕·魔女》)--which translates to "Wild Hero, Heaven's Pride, Demon Woman". It is one of the two longest novels written by LYS.
"Wild Hero" refers to Hua Guhan (華谷涵), nicknamed Xiao'ao Qiankun (笑傲乾坤, "Laughing Proudly at the World"). "Heaven's Pride" refers to Tan Yuchong (檀羽衝), nicknamed Wulin Tianjiao (武林天驕, "Heaven's Pride of the Martial Fraternity") "Demon Woman" refers to Liu Qingyao (柳清瑤), nicknamed Penglai Monü (蓬萊魔女, "Fairyland Demoness")
As you can see, the novel revolves primarily around these three characters. I thought the title sounded cool and that the novel concerns the gratitude, grievances, and feuds between them. Unfortunately, not really... It took me several months to finish it. The earlier parts are intriguing enough, and chiefly involve their love triangle. However, the love triangle is resolved two-thirds into the book, and sadly the latter one-third descends into tedium and repetitions. The politics, which occupies much of the novel, is about the Jurchens attacking Song China and then the Mongols invading the Jurchens and Xixia.
Hua Guhan and Tan Yuchong are both interested in Liu Qingyao, who, despite her moniker as the titular "Demon Woman", is actually a young, pretty, sensible, and rational girl. She was given this nickname for killing a few baddies, and at the start of the novel, is the brigand chief of northern China. Of course, all three are very good at martial arts, and Hua Guhan and Tan Yuchong eventually become good friends. Liu Qingyao is more drawn to Tan Yuchong at first, but Tan is a Jurchen--albeit an anti-war one, so he is against the Jurchens waging war against Song China. In the end, the love triangle is resolved once Hua professes interest in Liu Qingyao and he is a Han Chinese, so there are no impediments to their marriage. But LYS waves his magic wand and hey presto, finds another girl for Tan Yuchong.
The reason I'm so wary of recommending this novel is its length. The novel rapidly becomes formulaic and less interesting midway once LYS runs out of interesting plotlines to write. Neither Hua Guhan nor Tan Yuchong, although they also quote poetry, are quite as charismatic as Zhang Danfeng or Jin Shiyi. Some plotlines or characters are repeated from previous novels (there is a pair of jewel thieves twins who resembles Black Maha and White Maha in The Wanderer's Chronicles). The bad guy, Gongsun Qi (公孫奇), breaks no new grounds either, although he is very wicked. LYS does the most matchmaking too in this novel (I counted 8 couples in the end, a new LYS record).
To be honest, had this novel ended midway through its present length, I would have given it a much more enthusiastic review. But the structure is so loose that even a LYS fan like me finds the novel wearisome after the two-thirds mark. By then, the baddies and the good guys keep multiplying, and the baddies always manage to escape, just to resurface again in another chapter. It makes for tedious reading. There's quite a decent novel buried under all the heavy driftwood, but I can't see most having the patience to slog through the latter parts. Alas.
And oh, the famous poet and general (a historical figure) Xin Qiji (辛棄疾) makes an appearance in the book too. And also, our good friend Genghis Khan.
Recommended for the curious and completists, but decidedly not one of LYS's better novels.
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Post by siuyiu on Mar 9, 2024 19:24:09 GMT
alas, not every single one of the master's novels are masterpieces. can't be expected of any writer, really, but yeah, from what i've heard from family who have gone through the entire canon, i cannot be a completist--life's too short. but not too poo-poo your efforts to be a completist: your reviews and recommendations are definitely very helpful and enlightening! you're doing the community a great service, kyc!
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Post by soengyee on Mar 10, 2024 19:18:56 GMT
Okay, another one of LYS's novels finished. This one is very long, probably the length of JY's Demigods and Semi-devils. Set in the Song Dynasty, the novel is Kuangxia, Tianjiao, Monü (《狂俠·天驕·魔女》)--which translates to "Wild Hero, Heaven's Pride, Demon Woman". It is one of the two longest novels written by LYS. "Wild Hero" refers to Hua Guhan (華谷涵), nicknamed Xiao'ao Qiankun (笑傲乾坤, "Laughing Proudly at the World"). "Heaven's Pride" refers to Tan Yuchong (檀羽衝), nicknamed Wulin Tianjiao (武林天驕, "Heaven's Pride of the Martial Fraternity") "Demon Woman" refers to Liu Qingyao (柳清瑤), nicknamed Penglai Monü (蓬萊魔女, "Fairyland Demoness") As you can see, the novel revolves primarily around these three characters. I thought the title sounded cool and that the novel concerns the gratitude, grievances, and feuds between them. Unfortunately, not really... It took me several months to finish it. The earlier parts are intriguing enough, and chiefly involve their love triangle. However, the love triangle is resolved two-thirds into the book, and sadly the latter one-third descends into tedium and repetitions. The politics, which occupies much of the novel, is about the Jurchens attacking Song China and then the Mongols invading the Jurchens and Xixia. Hua Guhan and Tan Yuchong are both interested in Liu Qingyao, who, despite her moniker as the titular "Demon Woman", is actually a young, pretty, sensible, and rational girl. She was given this nickname for killing a few baddies, and at the start of the novel, is the brigand chief of northern China. Of course, all three are very good at martial arts, and Hua Guhan and Tan Yuchong eventually become good friends. Liu Qingyao is more drawn to Tan Yuchong at first, but Tan is a Jurchen--albeit an anti-war one, so he is against the Jurchens waging war against Song China. In the end, the love triangle is resolved once Hua professes interest in Liu Qingyao and he is a Han Chinese, so there are no impediments to their marriage. But LYS waves his magic wand and hey presto, finds another girl for Tan Yuchong. The reason I'm so wary of recommending this novel is its length. The novel rapidly becomes formulaic and less interesting midway once LYS runs out of interesting plotlines to write. Neither Hua Guhan nor Tan Yuchong, although they also quote poetry, are quite as charismatic as Zhang Danfeng or Jin Shiyi. Some plotlines or characters are repeated from previous novels (there is a pair of jewel thieves twins who resembles Black Maha and White Maha in The Wanderer's Chronicles). The bad guy, Gongsun Qi (公孫奇), breaks no new grounds either, although he is very wicked. LYS does the most matchmaking too in this novel (I counted 8 couples in the end, a new LYS record). To be honest, had this novel ended midway through its present length, I would have given it a much more enthusiastic review. But the structure is so loose that even a LYS fan like me finds the novel wearisome after the two-thirds mark. By then, the baddies and the good guys keep multiplying, and the baddies always manage to escape, just to resurface again in another chapter. It makes for tedious reading. There's quite a decent novel buried under all the heavy driftwood, but I can't see most having the patience to slog through the latter parts. Alas. And oh, the famous poet and general (a historical figure) Xin Qiji (辛棄疾) makes an appearance in the book too. And also, our good friend Genghis Khan. Recommended for the curious and completists, but decidedly not one of LYS's better novels. I was very curious if you'd read this novel kyc because I am very interested in the storyline. So from what I know this novel is actually the 3rd in a series of novels (First novel is 飛鳳潛龍, 2nd is 武林天驕 and this is the 3rd part) and this is the longest novel of the bunch. I think the other longest novel of his is the later Qing dynasty novel of the Mt. Heaven Saga. But aside from the length of this novel, I watched a TV series adaption that was exceptionally good but axed like 50% of the characters in the novel. I haven't read the novel, I literally skimmed through parts of it online and made comparison to the TV series adaption. For example there are 3 HeLian sisters in the novel while in the TV series there are only 2 twin sisters and one of them is a baddie, and in cahoots with GongSun Qi and also dies. The TV series also killed off nearly all the characters at the end while they all survived in the novel which I find very amusing. For example Geng Zhao dies, Qin NongYu dies, Yu SanHu dies (in fact the 3 are in a love triangle and Geng Zhao is very indecisive about who he loves more), Tan YuChong's sister Tan YuYing dies, HeLian QingBo dies (she dies in the novel too) and the very end the only four people are left alive. This is not the case in the novel because later on in the next 2 novels there are disciples and descendants of all these characters that survive and are mentioned all the way down to the TianShan series. (武林三絕) Liao QingYao is exactly the same in the TV series that she is in the novel however the actress Ban Ban is a little old to be acting as a teenager in the very beginning. But the 2 men acting as Hua GuHan and Tan YuChong are also quite old too. I guess ATV was lacking of younger artists back in the late 80's? Gongsun Qi is portrayed by a very old Wai Liet and its nasty to see younger actresses in love scenes with him. He's just as wicked as he is in the novel, nearly killing his own flesh and blood. However he doesn't try to rape Liao QingYao like he does in the novel, he only goes berserk and claims she is really pretty but he never saw it when she was younger. I adore this novel and TV series very much and I can see why ATV would eliminate so many characters, there's so many characters in the novel that it's hard to keep up with and he loves the name Qing very much. lol
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Post by atumiwa on Mar 19, 2024 10:31:19 GMT
in the 2002 adaptation of Jade Bow Connection, Jin Shiyi learned dog-beating staff and became the pangzhu of gaibang
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Post by kyc on Mar 24, 2024 16:50:56 GMT
in the 2002 adaptation of Jade Bow Connection, Jin Shiyi learned dog-beating staff and became the pangzhu of gaibang I'm wary of my memory nowadays, but I don't believe this is in the book.
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Post by yenchin on Mar 27, 2024 8:06:19 GMT
in the 2002 adaptation of Jade Bow Connection, Jin Shiyi learned dog-beating staff and became the pangzhu of gaibang I'm wary of my memory nowadays, but I don't believe this is in the book. TVB seemed to change a lot. In the original novel the leader (Yi ZhongMou) lives on to the sequel, and of course doesn't pass anything down to Jin ShihYi. There is no "Dog Beating Staff" in Liang's novels (or at least in this series).
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Post by soengyee on Mar 27, 2024 15:06:02 GMT
I'm wary of my memory nowadays, but I don't believe this is in the book. TVB seemed to change a lot. In the original novel the leader (Yi ZhongMou) lives on to the sequel, and of course doesn't pass anything down to Jin ShihYi. There is no "Dog Beating Staff" in Liang's novels (or at least in this series). TVB changed 50% of the original storyline, not as faithful as the ATV version. - Jiang Nan pairs up with Li QinMei - there is no Tang JingTian, Princess Bing Chuan, Chen TianYu or his wife YouPeng, or Zhou JiangXia - Feng Lin and Feng Ying are combined into one and married to Li Zhi (funny Li Zhi was completely forgotten in the novel by LYS but TVB decided he was an important character to add in lol) - Ji XiaoFeng is a couple with Cao JinEr (Cao JinEr is really young here), there's even a funny rape scene if you can call it that (both were under the influence of poison) - Ximen Muye is highly skilled and raised/trained Li ShengNan to be a killer - Lu SiNiang appears in the beginning and dies from transferring all her inner power to Jin ShiYi - Gu ZhiHua was never adopted by Gu ZhengPing, she was expelled from MengShan sect because Cai JinEr thought she caused Lu SiNiang's death - Li ShengNan doesn't have a duel with Tang XiaoLan, the character is mentioned but never seen, she dies from going all out and having a duel with Ximen Muye
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Post by atumiwa on Mar 29, 2024 14:45:00 GMT
and people who learned Qiao Beiming's skill (i forget the name, Bei Min Shen Gong? same name as Duan Yu's?) are too many, from Jin Shiyi, Li Shengnan, Meng Shentong, Yang Chifu, Dong Xiaotian, Ximen Muye...
and it is mentioned that Bai Xiaosheng (which is actually character from Gu Long's) ranked the Tianshan sect the 7th strongest organization/sect in jianghu.
the next adaptation is coming from Youku, hope it would be as faithful as ATV version , not TVB ^^
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