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Post by machete on Jan 4, 2022 11:18:42 GMT
In a more wuxia-related subject, let's talk about the 5 poisonous creatures. In Demigods and Semidevils, the 5 poisonous creatures were buried underground and the surviving one is the most poisonous one. Is this practice only found in DGSD or also in the myths about "real life" Gong Tao? I invite you to discuss about it regardless of whether you believe in it or not. You can also discuss Hong Kong movies which cover this subject.
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Post by yenchin on Jan 25, 2022 5:43:52 GMT
Gong Tao I think refers to 降頭 while the 5 poisonous creatures fighting each other in Sword Stained with Royal Blood is like 蠱 ( Gu). Due to geographical locations I guess these two are often brought up together. I've read about both in some articles and the descriptions are often conflicting. Gu has probably been around since history and usually refers to bugs related to poisonous or supernatural powers used to cause harm or control people. Some articles mention that there is a different level of users where the bugs themselves are supernatural, and despite all the bad reputation it gets there are healers/exorcists....etc who use them for good.
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Post by machete on Jan 25, 2022 7:21:42 GMT
Gong Tao I think refers to 降頭 while the 5 poisonous creatures fighting each other in Sword Stained with Royal Blood is like 蠱 ( Gu). Due to geographical locations I guess these two are often brought up together. I've read about both in some articles and the descriptions are often conflicting. Gu has probably been around since history and usually refers to bugs related to poisonous or supernatural powers used to cause harm or control people. Some articles mention that there is a different level of users where the bugs themselves are supernatural, and despite all the bad reputation it gets there are healers/exorcists....etc who use them for good. I only heard once that the 5 poisonous creatures buried in the ground to fight each other until the last one remains is so that the last creature can be made into a Gong Tao ingredient( besides just being used in Gu). But that's what the series the Unbelievable said. Maybe I misheard them? Plus now after thinking further, the 5 creatures buried method sounds more like Miao culture than the South east asian method (e.g Thai,Vietnamese).
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Post by yenchin on Jan 26, 2022 4:52:42 GMT
I only heard once that the 5 poisonous creatures buried in the ground to fight each other until the last one remains is so that the last creature can be made into a Gong Tao ingredient( besides just being used in Gu). But that's what the series the Unbelievable said. Maybe I misheard them? Plus now after thinking further, the 5 creatures buried method sounds more like Miao culture than the South east asian method (e.g Thai,Vietnamese). That method has been written in some old historical texts so it's the cultural basis of the understanding of Gu. Jin Yong used it for the scene in Sword Stained with Royal Blood. Sometimes on the internet people refer "Gu Cultivating" (煉蠱) to jokingly describe some big mixing up of diseases...etc ("So the city has lifted the ban during quarantine, they probably want to 煉蠱?") The Chinese character itself shows a bunch of bugs 虫 in a container 皿 In the Book of Sui (隋書): 其法以五月五日聚百種蟲,大者至蛇,小者至蝨,合置器中,令自相啖,餘一種存者留之 (...The method is during the fifth day of the fifth month, gather hundred types of bugs, ranging in size from fleas to snakes, put them all in a container and let them eat each other, keep the last survivor...)
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Post by kyc on Jan 26, 2022 14:25:12 GMT
Yunnan is pretty famous for its witchcraft; like Yenchin said it is called "gu" 蠱 in Chinese. They often tell you not to offend a Yunnan girl because she can cast spells on you, and make you obsessed with her even if she looks ugly.
I used to read horror comics when I was young and some were about this sort of thing, similar to the SE Asian "gong tao" or black magic. The spell caster mixes several venomous insects/creatures in a canister, making them fight and kill off/feed on one other. The surviving insect or creature will be the ultimate 蠱. Then the female sorcerer tricks the victim into eating it. The insect/creature is virtually unkillable, and will feed on the victim like a parasite. The spell-caster can control the 蠱 using a drum. If the victim becomes disobedient or unfaithful to the spell-caster, she can make him suffer (he will have terrible stomachaches and may even lose control of his mind or body). She can even kill him off.
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Post by atumiwa on Jan 26, 2022 18:14:27 GMT
In a more wuxia-related subject, let's talk about the 5 poisonous creatures. In Demigods and Semidevils, the 5 poisonous creatures were buried underground and the surviving one is the most poisonous one. Is this practice only found in DGSD or also in the myths about "real life" Gong Tao? I invite you to discuss about it regardless of whether you believe in it or not. You can also discuss Hong Kong movies which cover this subject. DGSD drama adaptation? i dont remember 5 poisonous creatures fight each other in the novel.
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Post by machete on Jan 27, 2022 1:01:31 GMT
In a more wuxia-related subject, let's talk about the 5 poisonous creatures. In Demigods and Semidevils, the 5 poisonous creatures were buried underground and the surviving one is the most poisonous one. Is this practice only found in DGSD or also in the myths about "real life" Gong Tao? I invite you to discuss about it regardless of whether you believe in it or not. You can also discuss Hong Kong movies which cover this subject. DGSD drama adaptation? i dont remember 5 poisonous creatures fight each other in the novel. Not sure. That you will have to ask others cause I haven't read the novel. Btw Gong Tao is called Santet in your country.
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Post by kyc on Jan 27, 2022 14:39:47 GMT
DGSD drama adaptation? i dont remember 5 poisonous creatures fight each other in the novel. Not sure. That you will have to ask others cause I haven't read the novel. Btw Gong Tao is called Santet in your country. If I remember right, the toad ate a few poisonous creatures, but nobody's doing black magic. And Duan Yu ate the toad. He became immune to poison after that.
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Post by machete on Jan 27, 2022 15:28:00 GMT
Not sure. That you will have to ask others cause I haven't read the novel. Btw Gong Tao is called Santet in your country. If I remember right, the toad ate a few poisonous creatures, but nobody's doing black magic. And Duan Yu ate the toad. He became immune to poison after that. Yup. If anybody did magic, DGSD would cease to become a Jin Yong work.
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Post by machete on Jun 10, 2023 5:02:11 GMT
Yunnan is pretty famous for its witchcraft; like Yenchin said it is called "gu" 蠱 in Chinese. They often tell you not to offend a Yunnan girl because she can cast spells on you, and make you obsessed with her even if she looks ugly. I used to read horror comics when I was young and some were about this sort of thing, similar to the SE Asian "gong tao" or black magic. The spell caster mixes several venomous insects/creatures in a canister, making them fight and kill off/feed on one other. The surviving insect or creature will be the ultimate 蠱. Then the female sorcerer tricks the victim into eating it. The insect/creature is virtually unkillable, and will feed on the victim like a parasite. The spell-caster can control the 蠱 using a drum. If the victim becomes disobedient or unfaithful to the spell-caster, she can make him suffer (he will have terrible stomachaches and may even lose control of his mind or body). She can even kill him off. Bump See 1:33 to 2:51. Maybe that's where Jin Yong got the inspiration to write about the five venomous animals attacking each other in DGSD(?) and SSRB?
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