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Post by chefying on Sept 30, 2014 11:02:09 GMT
Admin great thread, by the way.
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Post by Admin on Sept 30, 2014 11:16:18 GMT
chefying : thanks. valuable information (Y)
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Post by caiyi on Oct 1, 2014 10:48:43 GMT
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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2014 12:57:56 GMT
、 Thanks @caiyi I think YCZ's father also a real historical figure, no?
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Post by caiyi on Oct 1, 2014 14:54:23 GMT
、 Thanks @caiyi I think YCZ's father also a real historical figure, no? Yes, he is. Siuyiu already name him so I didn't put his name.
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Post by Admin on Oct 5, 2014 3:03:57 GMT
What about Hong Hei Goon and Fong Sai Yuk? are they real?
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Post by chinaman on Oct 5, 2014 6:36:08 GMT
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Post by siuyiu on Oct 6, 2014 4:05:32 GMT
this is a list that yenchin compiled on the old forum of historical figures in some of the other LYS books: Sai Wai Qi Xia Zhuan & 7 Swords
Emperor Shunzhi: Emperor Kangxi's father Emperor Kangxi: Bright emperor who started the best era of the Qing Dynasty Prince Duo Duo: Also known as the Prince of E. Noble and famous general of the Qing court. Nalan Rongruo: Noble of the Qing court. Famous poet. Fu Qingzhu: Famous painter, physician, and martial artist. Wu Sangui: Ming general who assisted the invasion of the Manchurians. Later revolted against the Qing Empire. Heaven and Earth Society: Organization, granddaddy of the Triads/Tongs. The 3 Heroines of Jianghu
Most historical princes of Emperor Kangxi. Emperor Yongzheng: Succeeder of Kangxi Nian Gengyao: General of the Qing Court The "Eight Heroes of Jiangnan" are sort of folklorish, I'm sure that Gan Fengchi existed. Not quite sure of the others: Monk Liao Yin Cao Renfu Lu Mingzhan Zhou Shun Bai Taiguan Gan Fengchi: Famous martial artist Li Yuan: Or Lu Yuan Lu Siniang: Allegedly the granddaughter of the historical character Lu Liouliang. At least one system of White Crane Fist practitioners regard her as the nun "Wumei", the creator of the art. One-Armed Nun: Princess of Ming? Folklore... Yu Niang: Also a folklorish character. Sometimes shows up in the "LSN assassinates Yongzheng" stories assisting her. Nu Di Ying Qi Zhuan
Emperess Wu: The one and only in Chinese history. She Who Must Be Obeyed Shanguan Waner: Famous poetress Da Tang You Xia Zhuan
Yang Guifei: Famous beauty An Lushan: Feud lord who revolted the Tang Empire Li Po: Poet Zhang Shun: General of Suiyang Lei Wanchun: General of Suiyang Nan Jiyun: General of Suiyang
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Post by nickyboy2 on Dec 9, 2021 23:55:42 GMT
Is the Wudang Sect really pro Qing in real history ? I have seen several Wuxia films depicting Wudang as supporting the Qing Dynasty regime. They were used to annihilate the anti Qing elements such as Shaolin and other anti Qing group.
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Post by chefying on Dec 10, 2021 6:28:46 GMT
Is the Wudang Sect really pro Qing in real history ? I have seen several Wuxia films depicting Wudang as supporting the Qing Dynasty regime. They were used to annihilate the anti Qing elements such as Shaolin and other anti Qing group. Good question. I do not have the knowledge nor answer, but my gut feeling is that the film world needed an antagonist to Shaolin, and who better to choose than Wudand? Since antagonist is the principle purpose, for continuity's sake, Wudang must be written to side the Qings. Why was Shaolin depicted as anti Qing? What I understand is that there were two Shaolin temples, the one in the North sits in Henan, also know as SongShan Shaolin. That temple is located in SongShan, Henan. It is between ZhengZhou City and LuoYang City. The one in the south is called Fujian Shaolin. As the name suggests, it is located in Fujian Province, in the town of PuTian. Fujian is a lot further away from Beijing, and as the Chinese proverb goes, "the mountains and high and the Emperor is far away" - used to illustrate geographic hindrance to control. The South was where the anti-Qings were, and according to the stories, some of their best fighters trained in Shaolin Temple, or were trained by Shaolin lay-disciples (non-monks). The Fujian Shaolin monastery was subsequently burnt by the Qing troops. It was rebuilt recently. Since the Southern Shaolin temple was indirectly involved in the anti-Qing activities, the films depict Shaolin as anti-Qing, which, by default, have to write Wudang as pro-Qing. I stress that this is just my hypothesis.
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Post by machete on Jan 2, 2022 15:58:02 GMT
What about Hong Hei Goon and Fong Sai Yuk? are they real? My Sifu seems to think so lol . In the modern world there is a martial art called Hung Ga by westerners but in Cantonese it's plainly called Hoong Kuen. Supposedly Hoong Hei Koon is the founding patriarch of this art. Eliza Sam uses this art in My Dangerous Mafia Retirement Plan. Is that the real title of that show which stars the fat actor who played Fei Mau?
As to your question I dunno. There are no photos of Hoong Hei Kun(obviously) but there is a photo of Lam Sai Wing who was Wong Fei Hong's student. Wong Fei Hung and Lam Sai Wing practiced Hung Ga.
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Post by machete on Jan 3, 2022 3:29:04 GMT
Is the Wudang Sect really pro Qing in real history ? I have seen several Wuxia films depicting Wudang as supporting the Qing Dynasty regime. They were used to annihilate the anti Qing elements such as Shaolin and other anti Qing group. I don't know about Wudang but when those movies show Bak Mei as Wudang's leader I think that is wrong. People who practice Bak Mei kung fu today who relate the story of the Bak Mei priest never said that he came from Wudang. They also never say that Bak Mei kung fu originated from Wudang skills. To them he was just a very good kung fu elder from Shaolin. The kung fu linked to Wudang is not Bak Mei but Baguazhang,Xingyiquan and Taichi.
(After posting this message I tried to search online about any info regarding the Wudang being pro-Qing but nothing turned up. So the tales about Wudang being pro-Qing must be fabrication)
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Post by atumiwa on Jan 3, 2022 6:46:43 GMT
just realize this thread. once, i found a wiki page with mandarin language of this subject, then i copy paste the whole content and add some new ones to my blog post i forget the url address of that wiki site, but temporarily you can visit : Real Historical Figure in Jin Yong
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Post by yenchin on Jan 4, 2022 7:02:37 GMT
Hong Hei Goon's tomb has been found in recent years. The authenticity, probably true? Fong Sai Yuk is a bit more ambiguous. Most of what we see in the entertainment today originates from the Qing novel "Wan Nian Qing" (萬年青) which used material from the Heaven and Earth Society's "Stories of Western Lu" (西魯敘事), which mainly writes about the burning of Southern Shaolin and the Five Elders. In Wan Nian Qing the writer actually portrays Hong, Fong...et al as bad guys and Emperor Qianlong eventually asks Pak Mei to rid them. The whole list of good guys we see in the modern films are killed. An interesting part is Ng Mui is one of the masters who are with Pak Mei (Ng Mui kills Fong by a kick to his only weak spot: his anus). In the novel there is no Wudang Sect. Pak Mei is originally described as a survivor of the Southern Shaolin. (And according to Wikipedia even Pak Mei practitioners have different versions of stories but it seems they never mention Wudang.) Wudang as a martial art school is something relatively recent originating in the late Qing novels. Probably since a lot of Taichi practitioners cited Zhang Sanfeng as the creator, it seemed that using Wudang as a Taoist martial school would be an interesting contrast to the Buddhist Shaolin monks.
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Post by machete on Jan 4, 2022 8:22:00 GMT
For anyone interested in Hung Ga or Bak Mei;
Here is a clip of the guy from Kung Fu Hustle giving a talk
This one is about Bak Mei in Paris
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