Post by daydreamer_gal on Jul 11, 2014 16:48:07 GMT
Nice! Just some points that I was wondering about:
I think Shangguan Jinhong and Lin Xian'er only had Shangguan Xiaoxian. Shangguan Fei is definitely not Lin Xian'er's son.. I don't think the age gap between them is that big, and she was sleeping with him even before she met Shangguan Jinhong. I don't know about Miss Shangguan (I read somewhere that her name is Shangguan Xiaoshan), but unless she is a twin of Shangguan Xiaoxian, I doubt she is Lin Xian'er's daughter either, considering that Shangguan Xiaoxian was not yet born when Shangguan Jinhong died, and I think she was said to be Shangguan Xiaoxian's younger sister.
I think it was mentioned that Ding Linglin had sisters too (6, IIRC), though they were never named and did not appear in or have any impact on the story. The 6 sisters, and also a brother-in-law, when Ding Linglin was bantering / verbally sparring with Lu Xiaojia. But it's kind of confusing because Ding Chengfeng calls Ding Linglin his only daughter when talking to Ye Kai towards the end of the story. Maybe he meant his only unmarried daughter.. or Gu Long just forgot.
Post by daydreamer_gal on Jul 11, 2014 22:45:08 GMT
For the first part, in ch50 of the Sentimental Swordsman Ruthless Sword (SSRS) translation, it seems that Lin Xian-er is meeting Shangguan Jinhong for the first time. Also, in ch38, it's heavily implied that Shangguan Fei is one of Lin Xian-er's lovers. I can't really verify about Miss Shangguan as I have not read that book (Fei Dao, You Jian Fei Dao)and what I know is based on what I have seen in forums (about her name and her being a younger sister of Shangguan Xiaoxian), and from my deductions from the other related books: Shangguan Xiaoxian only appears in Flying Eagles in September, where it is said that she is the daughter of Shangguan Jinhong and Lin Xian-er. However, there is no mention of Lin Xian-er having a child in SSRS, so I figure she was born after Shangguan Jinhong died. As such, Shangguan Xiaoxian couldn't have a younger sister by the same father and mother, unless she is a twin (which was not mentioned in the books I have read).
For the 2nd part, this is the relevant bit of the conversation between Lu Xiaojia and Ding Linglin in ch24 of Bordertown Wanderer:
"And what does your brother-in-law like?" Lu XiaoJia asked. "That would be my sister of course." "How many sisters do you have?" "Not many, only six. Surely you've heard of the Family Ding, Three Swordsman and Seven Angels."
However, it's kind of contradictory with what Lu Chengfeng says to Ye Kai in the last chapter:
Ding Chengfeng said, "I'm sure you feel very strange as to why I asked you these questions. But I must have a clear understanding about this, because..." Glancing at his daughter, a hint of laughter appeared in his eyes. He slowly continued, "Because I only have one daughter. If I am to give her over to someone else, at the very least, I must know what that man's name is."
ha, well, GL is full of contradictions and inconsistencies--we always have to take things with a grain of salt! as to the number of sisters DLL has, we also need to keep in mind that her uncle's/uncles' daughters would be called her "sisters" as well in the traditional system. that COULD explain the discrepancy--though the simpler explanation is that GL just wasn't paying attention.
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yes, in the very gender-biased patriarchal system, the children of brothers are considered more closely related than children of sisters/sisters and brothers. so, even though an uncle's children are one's cousins, and you can prefix them with "tang" to denote father's side of family, it's typical to just call said cousins your siblings without distinguishing that you mean your father's brother's children.
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ok, after consulting baidu and chinese wikipedia (sorry, if i had to purposely go and read the books for this info, i'll be at it forever; so, we can only assume that the online sources are accurate), i have revised the family trees. given the similarity of names, i assume that both shangguan xiaoxian and shangguan xian'er are full sisters, both daughters of shangguan jinhong and lin xian'er (the online sources only say xian'er is xiaoxian's younger sister but do not explicitly say who the parents are).
i hope this clarifies!
apologies that the text is fuzzier than the old one--had to shrink the text to keep everything on one page!