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Post by siuyiu on Oct 4, 2020 3:27:41 GMT
soengyee well, i'm pretty none of the tv adaptations are as horribly NOT faithful as the movie with leslie cheung and brigitte lin! that's a very interesting point about the females and martial arts stagnation.
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Post by kyc on Oct 4, 2020 12:41:22 GMT
As an aside, I just realized Wang Dulu has a very independent female heroine too - Yu Jiaolong (玉嬌龍), played by Zhang Ziyi in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.
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Post by soengyee on Oct 4, 2020 22:52:03 GMT
soengyee well, i'm pretty none of the tv adaptations are as horribly NOT faithful as the movie with leslie cheung and brigitte lin! that's a very interesting point about the females and martial arts stagnation.
Believe it or not jie jie there were a few adaptions that were really inspired by that horrible movie adaption. lol The 1999 Taiwanese version with Shui Ling and Julian Cheung is a fine example, even the ugly curly hair style used for Leslie Cheung is in there too; used on both Murong Chong and ZHY. They added another horrible subplot to make LNC believe the Wudang sect was responsible for murdering her parents and thus she kills many members of Wudang and ZHJ injures her to make her hair turn white overnight. The biggest complaint I have though is there no Yue MingKe in this terrible adaption because he is a combination of Yue MingKe and Murong Chong; he's in love with LNC but knows she is his nemesis and thus is always around to cause harm and make the series drag with his terrible acting. Oh and also Huo TianDuo is Madame GongSun's lover and Murong Chong is supposedly their child. And they all are evil and LNC and ZHY combines sword skills to kill HTD even though LNC kind of respects him because he is her masters lover. Does that not sound mad to you? I'm not even sure why I watched the entire serial twice but I did. lol The most recent version with Nicky Wu and movie version with FBB also took a lot of liberties from that TV adaption and the horrible movie adaptions as well. I wanted to bang my head against the wall while trying to watch them. Why the need to make this story so sadistic I wonder. And yes in JY's world the female protagonists tend to not improve very much or get a chance to learn powerful arts as the guys. In most novels the guys always get to learn super powerful arts and improve from beginning to end but such is not a case for all the female characters. Characters like Guo Jing, Yang Guo, Yuan ChengZhi, Zhang Wuji, Hu Fei, Di Yun, Duan Yu, Xu Zhu and Ling HuChong go from like 0-100 by the end of the novel. Why did these guys not train or teach their women so they can be super powerful too? The only female protagonists who see improvement in the novels are Huang Rong (after accepting Hong Qi Gong as a master and learning parts of 9yin and being enlightened by Reverend Yideng). It makes you wonder her father is great with supreme martial arts on par with HQG (her master) so why didn't she just learn from him in the first place? But after this she just did not improve and gave up while her husband Guo Jing only becomes more and more powerful. They all encountered the same people, the same arts, the same masters and if I remember correctly wasn't HR more skilled than GJ in the beginning? Another character who improved was XLN when she was taught the Left/Right technique by ZBT and this is because of her speed and agility as well but after that she also stopped learning anything even after being severed from the world for 16 years. I find that hard to believe because 16 years is a long time, I'm sure she could have came up with new arts of her own based off what she knows and has seen over the years. She's not the brightest like HR but she's not dumb also. And although her martial arts improved but it's nothing god-like compared to YG after he loses his arm and finds the iron sword. Wasn't XLN a lot stronger than YG in the beginning also? But still she holds the title for the strongest female protagonist in all of JY's novels. IMHO if she were to battle it out with HR in terms of skills alone without trickery or anything I think she can defeat HR in the long run but it would be a long drawn out fight because HR does know a lot more arts but doesn't utilize her skills very well and take advantage of them. Also XLN is a lot faster than HR in terms of speed. LNC and XLN are two of the fastest characters in almost all of wuxia fiction, both are women, young and beautiful and utilize their sword skills and lightness kung fu. But at least a character like LNC gets to improve in her skills and even be more powerful than her own lover ZHY. Her reputation becomes almost legendary in later novels while XLN is not even talked about in HSDS. The only reference made of her is from her grandchild, Yellow Lady Yang in HSDS. And thus is why I prefer Liang Yu Sheng over other authors.
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Post by soengyee on Oct 4, 2020 23:00:43 GMT
As an aside, I just realized Wang Dulu has a very independent female heroine too - Yu Jiaolong (玉嬌龍), played by Zhang Ziyi in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. I haven't read the novel or watched the entire movie version but I did however watch the 2001 TV adaption with Shui Ling as Yu JiaoLong. I'm not sure how faithful it is the actual novel but I do like the story there and Shui Ling is as beautiful as always but the character Yu JiaoLong can be irritating at times. She seems to be inspired from JY's Li YuanZhi from Book and Sword. She is pampered and comes from a rich family, pesters her master to teach her martial arts while hiding it from her family, goes around causing trouble and finding her lover eventually, goes through many hardships and misunderstandings and loses almost her entire family. I like the fight scenes in this TV adaption and everyone acts well but the characters themselves are not written very well. Yu Shu Lien is out to avenge her father's death, she is a wanderer and is smart in wulin yet she can be blinded by a bad guy for so long while everyone around her is trying to tell her otherwise. They kind of killed her at the end at the last battle but fast forward a few years later Li MuBai is able to revive her from a long coma. Li MuBai also survives here unlike Chow Yun Fat who dies in the movie version.
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Post by atumiwa on Nov 3, 2020 8:59:06 GMT
found one of his interview in australia, he did say about revision , did any of his revision really published? “梁先生到澳洲来,是决定长居或是短留?” “来看看。好嘛,我们会考虑长住。我写武侠小说写了三十多年,很想休息一下。找个清静地方,看看书,修订一下旧稿。 “梁先生,你现在还写不写武侠?” “我计划利用澳洲这清静环境,来完成我所有武侠小说的修订,交给香港天地图书公司出版,叫《梁羽生系列》,现只修订了五部。从前每日替多间报纸写连载,作品里免不了有急就而生的不满意,现在正是修订的时候了。” 此外,梁羽生也大力搜集古今中外对联,写对联的文字,发表了不少,现正打算再订正一下出书。 www.mcboda.com/book/zgxd/lysc/007.htm
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Post by yenchin on Nov 4, 2020 6:34:49 GMT
found one of his interview in australia, he did say about revision , did any of his revision really published? “梁先生到澳洲来,是决定长居或是短留?” “来看看。好嘛,我们会考虑长住。我写武侠小说写了三十多年,很想休息一下。找个清静地方,看看书,修订一下旧稿。 “梁先生,你现在还写不写武侠?” “我计划利用澳洲这清静环境,来完成我所有武侠小说的修订,交给香港天地图书公司出版,叫《梁羽生系列》,现只修订了五部。从前每日替多间报纸写连载,作品里免不了有急就而生的不满意,现在正是修订的时候了。” 此外,梁羽生也大力搜集古今中外对联,写对联的文字,发表了不少,现正打算再订正一下出书。 www.mcboda.com/book/zgxd/lysc/007.htmWell 天地圖書/Cosmos Books has his works on their list. I also checked the ones I read here in Taiwan (from a different publisher) and all of them were after 1988. Since Liang moved to Australia in 1987 I assume the ones we read and discuss nowadays are the revised versions.
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Post by kyc on Nov 4, 2020 11:21:56 GMT
found one of his interview in australia, he did say about revision , did any of his revision really published? “梁先生到澳洲来,是决定长居或是短留?” “来看看。好嘛,我们会考虑长住。我写武侠小说写了三十多年,很想休息一下。找个清静地方,看看书,修订一下旧稿。 “梁先生,你现在还写不写武侠?” “我计划利用澳洲这清静环境,来完成我所有武侠小说的修订,交给香港天地图书公司出版,叫《梁羽生系列》,现只修订了五部。从前每日替多间报纸写连载,作品里免不了有急就而生的不满意,现在正是修订的时候了。” 此外,梁羽生也大力搜集古今中外对联,写对联的文字,发表了不少,现正打算再订正一下出书。 www.mcboda.com/book/zgxd/lysc/007.htmWell 天地圖書/Cosmos Books has his works on their list. I also checked the ones I read here in Taiwan (from a different publisher) and all of them were after 1988. Since Liang moved to Australia in 1987 I assume the ones we read and discuss nowadays are the revised versions. I also think they are revised. I'm reading Cosmos Book traditional Chinese version of Yunhai Yugong Yuan, now on volume 3. The publication date is 2008. I have to say there are misprints and certain discrepancies not rooted out. For example, sometimes the text says Jin Shiyi stayed on the desert island for three years, yet what happened to Gu Zhihua that same year was "one year ago". But the language flow is good. I hope to have time to finish Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber this year. Fingers crossed.
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Post by siuyiu on Nov 5, 2020 0:12:36 GMT
how interesting! i had a look at my dad's LYS books: no publishing year. possibility that these are not the new versions! gonna have to do some online searching!
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Post by siuyiu on Nov 5, 2020 2:11:18 GMT
how interesting! i had a look at my dad's LYS books: no publishing year. possibility that these are not the new versions! gonna have to do some online searching! so, i browsed around and got further "confirmation" from my parents that the versions we have at home are the ones that were the original sets that were first converted from newspaper published format to book format. of course, our copies are probably subsequent editions, but still based on the original text. these would've been published in the late 50s and early 60s, with subsequent printings in the 70s and 80s. here's a sample of the early version: which means i've never read the revised versions at all, since all our books are from the same published set. anyone know how different version 1 is from 2?
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Post by kyc on Nov 5, 2020 11:30:11 GMT
how interesting! i had a look at my dad's LYS books: no publishing year. possibility that these are not the new versions! gonna have to do some online searching! so, i browsed around and got further "confirmation" from my parents that the versions we have at home are the ones that were the original sets that were first converted from newspaper published format to book format. of course, our copies are probably subsequent editions, but still based on the original text. these would've been published in the late 50s and early 60s, with subsequent printings in the 70s and 80s. here's a sample of the early version: which means i've never read the revised versions at all, since all our books are from the same published set. anyone know how different version 1 is from 2? These books would fetch astronomical prices! Rare! P.S. I've only a chapter left of Yunhai to go. Hope to write a review by today! It's a great novel!
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Post by kyc on Nov 5, 2020 11:38:31 GMT
how interesting! i had a look at my dad's LYS books: no publishing year. possibility that these are not the new versions! gonna have to do some online searching! bbs.pku.edu.cn/v2/post-read.php?bid=18&threadid=3021900This thread has some interesting things to say about the Cosmos Books editions. They seem not to be perfect. Some parts are condensed, discrepancies aren't eliminated. I wonder if the mainland Langdu edition is better... A pity, since I like the Cosmos book and font design and wanted to buy them.
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Post by kyc on Nov 5, 2020 14:45:23 GMT
Just finished Yunhai Yugong Yuan (《雲海玉弓緣》), one of Liang Yusheng's most famous novels. It does not disappoint: it's a wonderful novel. Even if there are parts that are less gripping than the others, the novel actually reaches the heights of the best Jin Yong. The ending is so affecting that it even betters the death scene in The Young Flying Fox, IMO.
The Chinese title needs a bit of explanation. The title can be translated as "The Romance of the Jade Bow in a boundless sea". "Yunhai" (雲海) means "a sea of clouds" or "cloudy sea" and is often used to describe metaphorically large stretches of ocean or clouds. The Jade Bow makes an appearance in the desert island, while "Yuan“ (緣) is one of those Chinese characters that doesn't have a direct English counterpart. It means something like "predestined affinity" and is sometimes used to mean "romance". So clearly, it means Jin Shiyi and Li Shengnan are predestined to have some adventures on a desert island, which will affect their whole lives.
This novel revolves around Jin Shiyi (金世遺) (who has already appeared in The Legend of the Heavenly Glacier Maiden) and three girls--the orthodox Gu Zhihua (谷之華), Lv Siniang's disciple; the heretical Li Shengnan (厲勝男); and the young and innocent Li Qinmei (李沁梅). Li Qinmei is part of a minor subplot, but the other two girls are more prominent. Also, there's a big villain in this book called Meng Shentong (孟神通), who has a feud with Li Shengnan after murdering her family decades ago.
Other than some minor structural problems, this novel has a bit of everything. It actually has climaxes that resemble JY climaxes, although LYS doesn't use secrets and revelations to move the plot forward as well as JY. So we actually know early on that Qiao Beiming (喬北冥) has a martial arts manual on a desert island. The best parts involve the love triangle between Jin Shiyi, Gu Zhihua and Li Shengnan. Li Shengnan is like 70% heretical and 30% good, while Jin Shiyi is like 70% good and 30% heretical. The ending is very affecting, even if you don't care for Li Shengnan.
Jin Shiyi is the best LYS protagonist after Zhang Danfeng. He's a bit maniacal at times but kind at heart, and his character has undergone some changes since the Heavenly Glacier Maiden. He does resemble Yang Guo a bit. I don't want to give too much of the plot away, but the plot and characters of this novel are clearly among LYS's best. Even Feng Lin isn't as irritating as in the Heavenly Glacier Maiden.
I will put this novel unhesitatingly alongside The Legend of the White-Haired Demoness (《白髮魔女傳》)and The Wanderer's Chronicles (《萍踪俠影錄》) as LYS's best. It may be even better than these two, since by this novel, LYS has already matured as a wuxia writer. This novel is his most substantial I have read. I also like LYS's writing style here a lot. At his best I prefer LYS's writing style to JY's. JY may be denser and more descriptive, but LYS's best prose has balance, poetry and grace.
If forced to give a rating, it will be either 4.5/5 or 5/5. This novel does have minor problems that sometimes beset LYS's books (rigidly having too many fight scenes; parts which are less interesting than others; somewhat hectic pacing), but the finest portions are definitely on the level of JY's epic novels. Recommended without reservation.
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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2020 5:44:57 GMT
Just finished Yunhai Yugong Yuan (《雲海玉弓緣》), one of Liang Yusheng's most famous novels. It does not disappoint: it's a wonderful novel. Even if there are parts that are less gripping than the others, the novel actually reaches the heights of the best Jin Yong. The ending is so affecting that it even betters the death scene in The Young Flying Fox, IMO. Totally agree. the ending death scene is very touching and memorable!
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Post by soengyee on Nov 8, 2020 3:11:35 GMT
Just finished Yunhai Yugong Yuan (《雲海玉弓緣》), one of Liang Yusheng's most famous novels. It does not disappoint: it's a wonderful novel. Even if there are parts that are less gripping than the others, the novel actually reaches the heights of the best Jin Yong. The ending is so affecting that it even betters the death scene in The Young Flying Fox, IMO. The Chinese title needs a bit of explanation. The title can be translated as "The Romance of the Jade Bow in a boundless sea". "Yunhai" (雲海) means "a sea of clouds" or "cloudy sea" and is often used to describe metaphorically large stretches of ocean or clouds. The Jade Bow makes an appearance in the desert island, while "Yuan“ (緣) is one of those Chinese characters that doesn't have a direct English counterpart. It means something like "predestined affinity" and is sometimes used to mean "romance". So clearly, it means Jin Shiyi and Li Shengnan are predestined to have some adventures on a desert island, which will affect their whole lives. This novel revolves around Jin Shiyi (金世遺) (who has already appeared in The Legend of the Heavenly Glacier Maiden) and three girls--the orthodox Gu Zhihua (谷之華), Lv Siniang's disciple; the heretical Li Shengnan (厲勝男); and the young and innocent Li Qinmei (李沁梅). Li Qinmei is part of a minor subplot, but the other two girls are more prominent. Also, there's a big villain in this book called Meng Shentong (孟神通), who has a feud with Li Shengnan after murdering her family decades ago. Other than some minor structural problems, this novel has a bit of everything. It actually has climaxes that resemble JY climaxes, although LYS doesn't use secrets and revelations to move the plot forward as well as JY. So we actually know early on that Qiao Beiming (喬北冥) has a martial arts manual on a desert island. The best parts involve the love triangle between Jin Shiyi, Gu Zhihua and Li Shengnan. Li Shengnan is like 70% heretical and 30% good, while Jin Shiyi is like 70% good and 30% heretical. The ending is very affecting, even if you don't care for Li Shengnan. Jin Shiyi is the best LYS protagonist after Zhang Danfeng. He's a bit maniacal at times but kind at heart, and his character has undergone some changes since the Heavenly Glacier Maiden. He does resemble Yang Guo a bit. I don't want to give too much of the plot away, but the plot and characters of this novel are clearly among LYS's best. Even Feng Lin isn't as irritating as in the Heavenly Glacier Maiden. I will put this novel unhesitatingly alongside The Legend of the White-Haired Demoness (《白髮魔女傳》)and The Wanderer's Chronicles (《萍踪俠影錄》) as LYS's best. It may be even better than these two, since by this novel, LYS has already matured as a wuxia writer. This novel is his most substantial I have read. I also like LYS's writing style here a lot. At his best I prefer LYS's writing style to JY's. JY may be denser and more descriptive, but LYS's best prose has balance, poetry and grace. If forced to give a rating, it will be either 4.5/5 or 5/5. This novel does have minor problems that sometimes beset LYS's books (rigidly having too many fight scenes; parts which are less interesting than others; somewhat hectic pacing), but the finest portions are definitely on the level of JY's epic novels. Recommended without reservation. kyc thanks for sharing your views on this story. I am still skimming through the novel myself but I already know the ending. lol I must have missed something but what on earth happened to Feng Lin's husband Li Zhi? I know he and Feng Lin got together in "The Three Heroines" after misunderstanding her to be "Feng Ying" but he doesn't make an appearance (or I must have missed it) after in later novels. His mother had learned martial arts from "The White Hair Demoness" so he is like a descendant because he got to learn the "Anti TianShan Swordsmanship" that she had created and I assume he must have taught this skill to Feng Lin herself. Was there a mention of what happened to him? As far as I remember/read he hasn't appeared since "The Three Heroines". The ending in this novel/story is indeed sad was there really a need for Li ShengNan to go all out and duel with Tang XiaoLan to kill herself that way? Was it to prove that Jin ShiYi indeed loved her? I mean she could have stayed alive and use other methods to win him over but I guess the tragic ending is more popular. But I am curious if she had indeed stayed alive what would happen to Gu ZhiHua? Apparently many years after Li ShengNan dies and in the next novel(s) Jin ShiYi and Gu ZhiHua would marry and produce an offspring. It seems all other couples have a happy ending in this particular novel other than Jin ShiYi himself. Gui Bing'E and Tang JingTian, Chen TianYu and YouPeng are already a pair from the previous novel, but Li QinMei and her senior ZhongZhan, as well as Jiang Nan and Zhou JiangXia have a happy ending. But Jin himself would eventually have a happy ending later after this novel. TV adaptions are not very faithful and don't do must justice to this novel at all. All the characters I mentioned above are always omitted on TV as producers probably feel there are too many characters and pointless. The TVB version "Lofty Waters Verdant Bow" in 2002 combines and eliminates so many characters and changes about 50% of the actual story. Here are some inconsistencies with the novel and TV adaption: - There is no Feng Lin here, both sisters are combined into Feng Ying only! Moreover she is not very playful, but quite serious. - There is no Tang JingTian, just Tang XiaoLan married to Feng Ying and they produce "Li QinMei" - There is no Zhou JiangXia or her family and Jiang Nan is paired up with "Li QinMei" as a comedic couple. - Ji XiaoFeng works for Meng ShenTong but he is actually kind at heart and sleeps with "Cao JinEr" due to drug influence. Cao JinEr in this adaption is very young, the same age as Gu ZhiHua. At the very end both have a happy ending together as a couple. In the novel Cao JinEr is a lot older and definitely does not end up with Ji XiaoFeng. - Ximen Muye raises Li ShengNan to be a killer and she works for him secretly while trying to avenge her family's death against Meng ShenTong who also happens to be working with Ximen Muye. At the end of the serial she uses Qiao BeiMing's s skills to duel with Ximen Myue and not Tang XiaoLan (Tang XiaoLan is made to be quite weak and Tian Shan swordsmanship is not very prominent here). When Jin ShiYi finds out she is working for him at the end he gets so upset and slaps her thinking she had used him all along. - Chen TianYu, YouPeng, Gui BingE are all eliminated characters and not mentioned in this TV adaption - Jiang Nan is an ex-disciple of Shaolin and ran away because he doesn't like monks, and gets to see Li QinMei and Cao JinEr naked while bathing/changing - Also Jin ShiYi gets to see Gu ZhiHua naked because she was bathing (Li ShengNan played a trick on her making Jin ShiYi think she was screaming) and he charges in as she is getting up. Gu ZhiHua disguised herself as an old woman when she first meets him. - Gu ZhiHua is not adopted by Gu ZhengPing, the character is not mentioned. Apparently Lu SiNiang had found and raised her. - Lu SiNiang transfers her inner power to treat Jin ShiYi so he can have a few months to live to find a cure to his illness. Cao JinEr thinks Gu ZhiHua and Jin ShiYi were in cahoots to kill Lu SiNiang and kicks her out of MengShan. Also Li ShengNan was there to witness all of this and all almost came to blows when Gu ZhiHua wanted to pay her respects to her master. The three then travel together for a while.
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Post by kyc on Nov 8, 2020 7:10:54 GMT
kyc thanks for sharing your views on this story. I am still skimming through the novel myself but I already know the ending. lol I must have missed something but what on earth happened to Feng Lin's husband Li Zhi? I know he and Feng Lin got together in "The Three Heroines" after misunderstanding her to be "Feng Ying" but he doesn't make an appearance (or I must have missed it) after in later novels. His mother had learned martial arts from "The White Hair Demoness" so he is like a descendant because he got to learn the "Anti TianShan Swordsmanship" that she had created and I assume he must have taught this skill to Feng Lin herself. Was there a mention of what happened to him? As far as I remember/read he hasn't appeared since "The Three Heroines". The ending in this novel/story is indeed sad was there really a need for Li ShengNan to go all out and duel with Tang XiaoLan to kill herself that way? Was it to prove that Jin ShiYi indeed loved her? I mean she could have stayed alive and use other methods to win him over but I guess the tragic ending is more popular. But I am curious if she had indeed stayed alive what would happen to Gu ZhiHua? Apparently many years after Li ShengNan dies and in the next novel(s) Jin ShiYi and Gu ZhiHua would marry and produce an offspring. It seems all other couples have a happy ending in this particular novel other than Jin ShiYi himself. Gui Bing'E and Tang JingTian, Chen TianYu and YouPeng are already a pair from the previous novel, but Li QinMei and her senior ZhongZhan, as well as Jiang Nan and Zhou JiangXia have a happy ending. But Jin himself would eventually have a happy ending later after this novel. TV adaptions are not very faithful and don't do must justice to this novel at all. All the characters I mentioned above are always omitted on TV as producers probably feel there are too many characters and pointless. The TVB version "Lofty Waters Verdant Bow" in 2002 combines and eliminates so many characters and changes about 50% of the actual story. Here are some inconsistencies with the novel and TV adaption: - There is no Feng Lin here, both sisters are combined into Feng Ying only! Moreover she is not very playful, but quite serious. - There is no Tang JingTian, just Tang XiaoLan married to Feng Ying and they produce "Li QinMei" - There is no Zhou JiangXia or her family and Jiang Nan is paired up with "Li QinMei" as a comedic couple. - Ji XiaoFeng works for Meng ShenTong but he is actually kind at heart and sleeps with "Cao JinEr" due to drug influence. Cao JinEr in this adaption is very young, the same age as Gu ZhiHua. At the very end both have a happy ending together as a couple. In the novel Cao JinEr is a lot older and definitely does not end up with Ji XiaoFeng. - Ximen Muye raises Li ShengNan to be a killer and she works for him secretly while trying to avenge her family's death against Meng ShenTong who also happens to be working with Ximen Muye. At the end of the serial she uses Qiao BeiMing's s skills to duel with Ximen Myue and not Tang XiaoLan (Tang XiaoLan is made to be quite weak and Tian Shan swordsmanship is not very prominent here). When Jin ShiYi finds out she is working for him at the end he gets so upset and slaps her thinking she had used him all along. - Chen TianYu, YouPeng, Gui BingE are all eliminated characters and not mentioned in this TV adaption - Jiang Nan is an ex-disciple of Shaolin and ran away because he doesn't like monks, and gets to see Li QinMei and Cao JinEr naked while bathing/changing - Also Jin ShiYi gets to see Gu ZhiHua naked because she was bathing (Li ShengNan played a trick on her making Jin ShiYi think she was screaming) and he charges in as she is getting up. Gu ZhiHua disguised herself as an old woman when she first meets him. - Gu ZhiHua is not adopted by Gu ZhengPing, the character is not mentioned. Apparently Lu SiNiang had found and raised her. - Lu SiNiang transfers her inner power to treat Jin ShiYi so he can have a few months to live to find a cure to his illness. Cao JinEr thinks Gu ZhiHua and Jin ShiYi were in cahoots to kill Lu SiNiang and kicks her out of MengShan. Also Li ShengNan was there to witness all of this and all almost came to blows when Gu ZhiHua wanted to pay her respects to her master. The three then travel together for a while. Now that you mentioned it, Li Zhi has indeed mysteriously disappeared from the novel, lol. LYS once again displays his less-than-prodigious memory compared to JY. He seemed to have conveniently forgotten about Li Zhi. I don't remember Li Zhi ever being mentioned in The Heavenly Glacier Maiden or The Jade Bow. Or am I wrong? Logic would dictate that Li Zhi has passed away, because he does not make an appearance during Li Qinmei's wedding. As for Jin Shiyi and Gu Zhihua, I know their story has not ended as they produced a son. So you're right there. As for Li Shengnan, I think she kinda commits suicide because she is gambling on her duel with Tang Xiaolan. If she won the first two duels, she would not have to die. But yes, I think it's fated for her to die, cos she has nothing to live for after killing Meng Shentong and defeating Tang Xiaolan. That said, I think Jade Bow would have been an even better novel if the author spent more ink on the love triangle and/or Li Shengnan. Li Shengnan still seems like a somewhat fuzzy character because we seldom see things from her point of view. As for the TV adaptation, lol, I'm not really a TV person, but yeah, from what you listed, TVB seemed to have really changed the storyline by 50%. The TVB adaptation was once aired in Singapore, but I did not follow it. Right now I'm reading The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber. Interesting to note the differences between LYS and JY. I'm still adapting to the pace of JY (LYS novels move much quicker). Maybe I'll write a post about LYS vs JY later.
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