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Post by machete on Apr 27, 2022 8:24:09 GMT
Nothing she can do to WXB after that can compare to having all your genitals cut off forever. Unless she forbid him to ever have sex with his other wives for eternity. But still......
WYX is of course now truly a eunuch and can serve the emperor in another capacity. Joking aside, Not a good joke. The real funny thing of it all is that the real life JN and WYX never encountered what happened in the novel
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Post by kyc on Apr 27, 2022 8:25:23 GMT
I have not finished the book and although I think that technique-wise, LDJ is definitely the best novel JY has written, considering it as pure satire... can be problematic. With satires the author must know their stance morally when they ridicule and make fun of the characters and situations. With LDJ, I daresay JY's attitude towards Wei Xiaobao is ambivalent. There are some things he like about him, there are other things he don't. Obviously since JY is now free not to write him as a hero, there are some parts which strike me as being more true to life. Even the relationships seem more realistic--no one ever said that Fang Yi or A'ke is truly in love with Wei Xiaobao, Jianning obviously treats WXB like some sex object. I'm okay with that. It may seem disheartening, but whatever LDJ is, it does not give that air-brushed pseudo-reality/fairy tale I find unrealistic in certain JY. But I'm not even half-way into the book and it's a very long novel.
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Post by atumiwa on Apr 27, 2022 8:31:42 GMT
as JY's fan, a little sad to hear your comments here .
JY also had never been good to ladyboy in his story , i only read about 10 titles of Gu Long, i dont recall any ladyboy there. how about LYS? what is his view on ladyboy in his novel? same tragic fate like JY's?
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Post by kyc on Apr 27, 2022 8:35:03 GMT
WYX is of course now truly a eunuch and can serve the emperor in another capacity. Joking aside, Not a good joke. The real funny thing of it all is that the real life JN and WYX never encountered what happened in the novel Maybe not a good joke. But if you are happy in real life, I don't think it matters much what some writers write.
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Post by kyc on Apr 27, 2022 8:43:20 GMT
as JY's fan, a little sad to hear your comments here . JY also had never been good to ladyboy in his story , i only read about 10 titles of Gu Long, i dont recall any ladyboy there. how about LYS? what is his view on ladyboy in his novel? same tragic fate like JY's? atumiwa , I don't know who your comments are directed at. Machete, or me? I don't really see anyone as ladyboy and don't know enough about the Wu Yingxiong part to comment. I'm not talking about Dongfang Bubai here.
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Post by machete on Apr 27, 2022 8:46:22 GMT
as JY's fan, a little sad to hear your comments here . JY also had never been good to ladyboy in his story , i only read about 10 titles of Gu Long, i dont recall any ladyboy there. how about LYS? what is his view on ladyboy in his novel? same tragic fate like JY's? atumiwa , I don't know who your comments are directed at. Machete, or me? I don't really see anyone as ladyboy and don't know enough about the Wu Yuxiong part to comment. I'm not talking about Dongfang Bubai here. Could be both of us. I think by saying 'JY not being good to ladyboy' he means DFBB's relationship with YLT's end result or LPZ's tragic end.
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Post by atumiwa on Apr 27, 2022 9:06:54 GMT
yes, i mean people like DFBB, YBQ, and LPZ, (probably also Lao Denuo and Zuo Lengchan, they learned bixie too right?), they were not only castrated, but really became ladyboys. LPZ somehow becomes like to wear pinky stuff, YBQ's voice changed to higher note like woman, etc.
they all had tragic ending.
i dont read any LYS' novel, so i dont now if he had some ladyboy type character in his story.
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Post by machete on Apr 27, 2022 9:21:08 GMT
yes, i mean people like DFBB, YBQ, and LPZ, (probably also Lao Denuo and Zuo Lengchan, they learned bixie too right?), they were not only castrated, but really became ladyboys. Lao Denuo and ZLC learnt a fake version.
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Post by kyc on Apr 27, 2022 11:15:40 GMT
They are garbage, castrated or not. I dislike them not because they are castrated or ladyboys, but because they have defective characters.
My issue is not just with the Smiling, Proud Wanderer, but also with people like Song Qingshu etc. JY does not write nice guy characters other than his heroes. He doesn't like them to compete with his heroes for the girls. The playing field is not level.
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Post by atumiwa on Apr 27, 2022 14:27:52 GMT
yes, i mean people like DFBB, YBQ, and LPZ, (probably also Lao Denuo and Zuo Lengchan, they learned bixie too right?), they were not only castrated, but really became ladyboys. Lao Denuo and ZLC learnt a fake version. wah, this is really an interesting topic, yes they learnt the fake one, but is it really mentioned in the novel they did castration or not? did YBQ remove that castration part?
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Post by machete on Apr 27, 2022 16:26:41 GMT
Lao Denuo and ZLC learnt a fake version. wah, this is really an interesting topic, yes they learnt the fake one, but is it really mentioned in the novel they did castration or not? did YBQ remove that castration part? From the novel I don't really remember what but something made me think that ZLC learnt the fake version which was a fake version which didn't include the castration part. Probably this part; "Linghu Chong had been leaning on Yingying. When he suddenly saw his master's swordplay becoming both fast and weird, and very different from the sword art of Huashan School, he was surprised. Then he glanced around and saw that Zuo Lengchan's swordplay had also changed. Now, Zuo Lengchan was using sword moves which were unexpectedly very similar to the ones his master were using. The two of them were attacking and defending very quickly, and the swordplay coordination between the two of them was seamless, as if they were martial brothers who had been practising this set of sword arts together for dozens of years already. In the next twenty moves, Zuo Lengchan kept on advancing with each of his move while Yue Buqun continuously retreated."
I'm not even sure if the novel has the part where LDN and ZLC got hold of the fake version. ZLC did not show any signs of having learnt PXJF in the later parts of the novel which I have read lately. In the final part in the cave ZLC didn't use any PXJF. Although I think Lau Denuo became handicapped or something like that after he continued to learn the fake version.
In two adaptations, both of them get hold of the fake version in which the castration part is not included by YBQ. The first requirement was replaced with the words "In order to learn divine skill, eight points must be open". In three adaptations(the two I mention included),there is an added extra scene in which LPZ tells ZLC the castration requirement for the first time and ZLC expresses shock.
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Post by atumiwa on Apr 28, 2022 4:02:14 GMT
@machete: just curious, what three adaptations are they? i only watched one adaptation so far, which was 2014 version (wallace huo), in which Dongfang bubai is a pretty woman and love linghu chong
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Post by machete on Apr 28, 2022 4:12:37 GMT
@machete: just curious, what three adaptations are they? i only watched one adaptation so far, which was 2014 version (wallace huo), in which Dongfang bubai is a pretty woman and love linghu chong The 1996 TVB version State of Divinity,the 2000 State of Divinity with Richie Ren/Jen and 80s version starring Chow Yun Fatt.
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Post by kyc on Apr 29, 2022 17:16:38 GMT
kyc thanks for sharing your thoughts! i wonder if the "yong-ology" lectures will do proper lit analysis, pointing out both the laudable and problematic aspects of JY's works. or if it's just one big "fangirling" study. there's also the concern that the availability of numerous adaptations plus an English translation of LOCH will skew non-chinese readers'/audience's perceptions of wuxia genre fiction. again, this isn't i-hate-JY, but, as you say, we need to be aware of the problems. Today I'm ready to forgive myself for saying bad things about JY. Tomorrow I will feel guilty again. The whole "Jinology", although heavily contributed by fangirls, was really started by Ni Kuang, who is a die-hard JY worshipper. I don't deny that JY is maybe even a great writer, but calling The Deer and the Cauldron "the best novel ever written, Chinese or foreign" really makes one wonder how objectively Ni Kuang looked at the problem issues in JY's works.
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Post by siuyiu on Apr 29, 2022 23:42:16 GMT
kyc yeah, need to take everything ni kuang says with a big brain of salt. i haven't read majority of his works, but the few i have aren't anything to write home about. and i'm told, though not from the most reliable sources, that his sci-fi is really weird.
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